SkyDave Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Hi, I've heard someone in the field of computer forensics say that ccleaner is used to delete files permanently. Is that true? Does it actually try to shred things better than shift+delete so they're harder/impossible to recover or does it only serve as a shortcut as to what to delete in order to save the user the hassle? He also stated it's considered an anti-forensics tool. I am a bit reluctant to keep using it if it makes me seem suspicious or like I'm hiding something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted May 23, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2022 While nothing is unrecoverable given unlimited time and money, ccleaner can be set to securely (multiple passes) delete data. Using it is not, in and of itself, suspicious. ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. Support at https://support.ccleaner.com/s/?language=en_US Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT via email support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Dave CCleaner Posted May 23, 2022 Admin Share Posted May 23, 2022 6 hours ago, SkyDave said: I am a bit reluctant to keep using it if it makes me seem suspicious or like I'm hiding something. There is nothing inherently wrong with using multi-pass deletion to "shred" deleted files. Just as there is nothing wrong with buying a paper shredder from your local office supplies store. Sounds like the common conflation of privacy, security and secrecy. Old medical records are no-one else's business - I may wish to shred them to keep that information private. Old income tax filings contain information that could be used to identity-theft me - I may wish to shred them to keep that information secure. While it is also possible that I am shredding the plans to a bank vault from a heist I am planning (something I would like to keep secret), under most circumstances that is unlikely to be someone's first assumption. This is why our windows have curtains, we close the door when we go to the loo, and many regions have a right to privacy enshrined in their laws. Even if we have nothing to hide, we all inherently dislike any form of snooping. Piriform Homepage - [CCleaner - CCleaner Mac - CCleaner Android - CCleaner Browser - Recuva - Speccy - Kamo] - Product Support Looking for your licence key, expiry date or download link? Check here first: https://www.ccleaner.com/support/license-lookup To find out how we protect your privacy - read CCleaner's Data Factsheet. What's new? Check the latest CCleaner for Windows release notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators hazelnut Posted May 23, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2022 The only no no is if you are doing it at work on machines provided by your employer . Support contact https://support.ccleaner.com/s/contact-form?language=en_US&form=general or support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators nukecad Posted May 23, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2022 To put it another way: Most criminals use cars to get to their 'work', that doesn't mean that everyone who uses a car is automatically a criminal. Some criminals will use CCleaner to delete their computer files, that doesn't mean that everyone who uses CCleaner to securely delete files is automatically a criminal. *** Out of Beer Error ->->-> Recovering Memory *** Worried about 'Tracking Files'? Worried about why some files come back after cleaning? See this link:https://community.ccleaner.com/topic/52668-tracking-files/?tab=comments#comment-300043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted May 23, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) Modern Windows OSes can be used to permanently delete files which for instance doing a Full Format of a drive (traditional hard disk that is) in Win10/Win11 will do - that's one of the reasons doing a Full Format on many USB Flash Drives will outright kill them such as SanDisk brand drives, etc. When it comes to modern drives like SSD their built-in garbage collection, and TRIM initiated by an OS will result into already deleted files being very difficult to recover up to impossible. Edit: In closing, CCleaner isn't deleting files any better or worse compared to how the OS can do it, although with the OS a Full Format of a drive has to be done versus just "secure delete/erase, shred" of a single file(s)/folder(s). Edited May 23, 2022 by Andavari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyDave Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) Thanks very much everyone. All of your replies helped. I'm actually asking cause my friend was suspected of a crime I can't disclose and the forensic expert found nothing on his PC, but he did found CCleaner installed and kinda implied my friend is possibly guilty cause he had an "anti-forensics" software installed. The friend was only using CCleaner exclusively to clean temp & junk files on C: cause he was lacking space on C: drive after years of windows updates shrunk the free space on it to a few Gb's. He didn't even clear his browsing history or the downloads folder with it. I was asking to confirm if I had the wrong impression of what CCleaner does, but you guys reassured me, thanks. P.S. love the car, windows & paper shredder examples. Edited May 23, 2022 by SkyDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted May 23, 2022 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2022 And at this point we'll have to close this thread as we're unable to provide legal advice. Good luck to your "friend" but they can go deeper a recover what's gone. As i said infinite time infinite money anything is recoverable. ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. Support at https://support.ccleaner.com/s/?language=en_US Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT via email support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Dave CCleaner Posted May 23, 2022 Admin Share Posted May 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, SkyDave said: the forensic expert [said] he had an "anti-forensics" software installed. Unlike medicine, accounting, engineering, etc the IT industry is a bit peculiar in that with the absence of universally recognised accreditation, pretty much anyone can call themselves an "IT expert" if they can bluff that they know more than the person they are talking to. Given the near-ubiquity of CCleaner all over the world, I would wonder at the technical credentials of someone who didn't know what CCleaner actually is. Piriform Homepage - [CCleaner - CCleaner Mac - CCleaner Android - CCleaner Browser - Recuva - Speccy - Kamo] - Product Support Looking for your licence key, expiry date or download link? Check here first: https://www.ccleaner.com/support/license-lookup To find out how we protect your privacy - read CCleaner's Data Factsheet. What's new? Check the latest CCleaner for Windows release notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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