Eldmannen Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Treacherous Computing (by the industry often called Trusted Computing) is a change in computers which will make software companies and goverment control you and your computer and what you are allowed todo with your computer. What software you are allowed to run, what documents you are allowed to read, etc. For a short movie about it (3 minutes, 30 seconds) about Trusted Computing, see: * http://www.lafkon.net/tc/ For some information about Treacherous Computing, see: * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html * http://www.againsttcpa.com/ The industry doesnt talk about it, they try to keep it silent, when mentioned it is presented as something great, the truth is quite the contrary. It is terrible. Lobby organisations such as RIAA and MPAA has been pushing for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Last I heard this was scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dont think so. Windows Vista will have TC (Treacherous Computer) functionality, they call it "Next Generation Secure Computing Base" (NGSCB) ^1 DRM (Digital Restriction Management) in various forms such as PVP (Protected Video Path), etc. ^1 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/feature...05-07ngscb.mspx All Intel Pentium proccesors in series Pentium D have TPM (Trusted Platform Module) in them. All AMD proccesors introduced for the new upcoming AM2 socket (previously known as socket M2) will have it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted December 21, 2005 Moderators Share Posted December 21, 2005 Like all DRM bull$hit, it can be circumvented rather legal or illegal depending upon the country of origin, and most notably not speaking about the circumvention making it public knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted December 21, 2005 Author Share Posted December 21, 2005 Actually, most DRM are software based hence they are not all too difficult to reverse-engeineer and circumvent. TC however is hardware based and uses signatures and strong cryptography which makes it almost impossible to circumvent. It will also be illegal to try to circumvent it and the TC specification includes a thing that can report you if attempt to mess with it. The idiotic DMCA law (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators rridgely Posted December 21, 2005 Moderators Share Posted December 21, 2005 There will always be a way to get around it. I dont care how its done someone will crack it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted December 21, 2005 Author Share Posted December 21, 2005 Well can always be optimistic about it. But it looks dark and difficult. All machines will have an unique key and signature, cryptographically stored on chip in the hardware. With huge alliance, AMD, Intel, Microsoft, IBM, etc 200+ companies on it. http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted December 22, 2005 Moderators Share Posted December 22, 2005 I dont care how its done someone will crack it. 24839[/snapback] Ha ha, just use a hammer! Or maybe shove a peanut butter sandwich inbetween the connectors. Before we know it we'll have to pass through metal detectors just to leave home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rochip Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Before we know it we'll have to pass through metal detectors just to leave home. 24906[/snapback] If you try to sneak out of the house with your DRM protected Black Sabbath CD so that your friend can copy it you won't make it past the heavy metal detector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Actually maybe not metal dectors. But cellphones will increase, and more people will have them, they will be tighter tied to a person and have GPS. People will be injected with a RFID chip into their body which can be remotely read without you knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokoike Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 If you try to sneak out of the house with your DRM protected Black Sabbath CD so that your friend can copy it you won't make it past the heavy metal detector. lol. And it's funny you mention RFID chips, Eldmannen. I just read an article (I believe it was in Popular Mechanics) about some lab designing some injectible RFID chips that are being used by the members of some club. The way you get into the club is by having your chip scanned to prove that you are a member. This is some scary stuff. Hopefully I'll be dead before it goes full throttle, but judging by way companies like MS are pushing DRM, I'm willing to bet they'll want to chip me before too long. Save a tree, eat a beaver. Save a tree, wipe with an owl. Every time a bell rings, a thread gets hijacked! ding, ding! Give Andavari lots of money and maybe even consider getting K a DVD-RW drive. If it's not Scottish, IT'S CRAP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Yes, and Hollywood and entertainment industry such as RIAA and MPAA are pushing DRM very hard too. But they are taking it slow to avoid people to freak out. First they implement it in passports, then driver license, then other cards. Then all computers, cellphones, DVD, media players, TV will have DRM / TC. UK are already tracking cars. And have CCTV in every corner. Face-reckongnization, etc. Then when people are used to it, it get injected into them when they are babies. It's very very small. Then there is a control society. Everytime you use a electronical device, it is tied to you. Everytime you go somewhere, it will monitor you. Everytime you goto the library and rent a book, they will know when and what you read. Same with everytime you goto the cinema. Every place you visit. Monitoring, control, regulation, censorship. Your religion, sexual preference? It will be all there. You like to read or watch movie about anarchism or different type of politics? You'll be added to a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rochip Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 In the future there will be self-propagating identity/tracking chips which will be bound to the Y chromosome. Thus, when a father gives birth to a son, the little tyke will literally be a 'chip' off the old block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobrakommander56 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 sometimes I really want to confront you Rochip, and shake your hand. Insert random C4 joke here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rochip Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 sometimes I really want to confront you Rochip, and shake your hand. So you can try out your joy buzzer you've modified to kill instead of shock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobrakommander56 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 HAHAHAHAHA Insert random C4 joke here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtman Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 ... But cellphones will increase, and more people will have them, they will be tighter tied to a person and have GPS. Most new (UK) cellphones (mobiles) now have a functionality (they make it sound like a feature) such as 'Where am I?' - for a few pence, it shows you a map (within a few metres) of where you are standing. To help you find your way home / neaerst phone-box / cash-point etc. So basically, most of use are already carrying round a GPS system on our phones. It's been around for a while, and will get more advanced. Mr B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 This thread went a little off-topic. But yeah, its scary with cellphones and GPS. And that the companies can track your every move without your explicit consent. I consider that a huge privacy violation. I dont own a cellphone, and dont really have any plans to buy one. I heard they can be remotely-activated to listen so they can activate the microphone and listen to what I say or the sound of where I am without my consent. I dont trust cellphone. Maybe if they had open firmware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtman Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I heard they can be remotely-activated to listen so they can activate the microphone and listen to what I say or the sound of where I am without my consent. Yep - they can. But, I believe these 'conversations' are not to be allowed in evidence (yet) against any wrong-do'ers. Also I agree, Eldmannen, I fear for my privacy - I don't really mind being monitored on camera walking down the street (no non-criminal individual should) , but I draw the line at some gov. official listening to my singing in the bath without my consent Mr B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccleaner professional user Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Don't buy the stupid technology. Solve all problems. Let's go back to horse & buggies. They can't stop us. Amen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokoike Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Don't buy the stupid technology. Solve all problems. Let's go back to horse & buggies. They can't stop us. Amen? How many horsepower do horses have? I want at least 50 HP or so, which might get kind of expensive... but hey, emissions won't be a problem, right? Except of course, the occassional burst of methane... Save a tree, eat a beaver. Save a tree, wipe with an owl. Every time a bell rings, a thread gets hijacked! ding, ding! Give Andavari lots of money and maybe even consider getting K a DVD-RW drive. If it's not Scottish, IT'S CRAP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccleaner professional user Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 How many horsepower do horses have? I want at least 50 HP or so, which might get kind of expensive... but hey, emissions won't be a problem, right? Except of course, the occassional burst of methane... True, true... The future is in moving everybody to one land mass. Isn't China the biggest? Or do we want everyone living in the tropics like Australia? Either way, we would have everyone all together. Eliminating all wars. How could we kill off people in another country if we were ALL in the same country? Emissions would decline since everyone is so close together, there is hardly any commute. The nice warm weather would eliminate heating costs. Voila!!! No more going to war with Iraq to get oil!!! Houston, I think we solved a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokoike Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 ...The nice warm weather would eliminate heating costs. Voila!!! No more going to war with Iraq to get oil!!! Houston, I think we solved a problem! Yeah, it would also be hotter due to all of the body heat; we would have to start stacking people to make room. I think that once everyone on Earth moved to Australia, we would each have a grand total of about 6 cubic inches of room per person. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I need at least 8 or so to be comfortable. Save a tree, eat a beaver. Save a tree, wipe with an owl. Every time a bell rings, a thread gets hijacked! ding, ding! Give Andavari lots of money and maybe even consider getting K a DVD-RW drive. If it's not Scottish, IT'S CRAP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rochip Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 How many horsepower do horses have? I want at least 50 HP or so, which might get kind of expensive... but hey, emissions won't be a problem, right? Except of course, the occassional burst of methane... No-one has mentioned the increased performance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccleaner professional user Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 No-one has mentioned the increased performance... I think I could get by with 6 inches if I went on a starvation diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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