windows 7 doesnt find updates...

[trium]

hi fans,

 

does anyone know why a new windows 7 does not find updates?

 

could it be because windows 10 upgrade?

[mta]

I've been noticing the same thing.

in the last week I have rebuilt 3 Win7 PC's and on all of them, the Windows Updates just sit there and never progresses, even when left on overnight.

 

I've not been too perturbed since those PC's would be getting updated to Win10 before too long.

[hazelnut]

Many places on the web discussing this, and many supposed 'fixes' for it.

 

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3055885/microsoft-windows/its-time-for-microsoft-to-fix-the-windows-7-update-slowdowns.html

 

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3058260/microsoft-windows/heres-how-to-significantly-speed-up-windows-7-scans-for-updates.html

[Willy2]

- I have seen the same complaints on "Bleeping Computer".

         - Computers weren't finding updates.

         - CPU went "through the roof". I - at least -  assume as a result of "Svchost" not being able to find what the proper updates should be.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/f/167/windows-7/

 

- I had different kind of "problems" with Windows Update. The first time one Update was listed under "Important Updates" and after some time it was moved to "Optional Updates". (I wasn't in a hurry to install those updates.). Then after say a month Windows Updates "changed its mind" again. Then Windows Update recently recommended that I install the same Update twice on my Win 7 system. One was listed under "Important Updates" and the other was listed under "Optional" updates. Weird stuff, those computers.

[login123]

Trium, It seems the issue is caused by windows updates itself. 

And yes, in my opinion its related to microsoft's increasingly desperate effort to get everyone onto win 10. 

Some folks have mentioned exactly your issue, win 7 doesn't find updates, and then after a looooong wait it finally does.

 

It is not enough to just hide an update anymore, like in the old days. 

Some of them get re-issued (same name, different version), some get replaced or superseded, some just seem to slow things up.

 

My list of updates to ignore or uninstall has grown to over 50 items. 

There is so much inconsistency in the available information that I hesitate to post anything specific. 

I haven't actually tried any of the suggestions yet. 

[trium]

i have tryed the "suggestions" ...

 

I know that sounds like combining beer and cement to make a cheesecake, but there you have it.

 

yes, i have the whole crap of beer and cement and in the end is no cheesecake. it is as nothing! (where is the crying smiley?)

 

 

 

i have uninstalled all recommended updates for manually install and wait of the end of w10 for free and will hope it works after this time

 

 

(i cant install IE11 --> neither offline installer nor online installer)

windows tells me "i must have a update" but what one?

and "IE8 is not supported on this page"

[hazelnut]

trium see here

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/2847882

[trium]

thanks a lot, hazelnut now i have ie11

[trium]

nice info about the update-status of my w7pro...

 

 

with the post from hazelnut (Windows 7 SP1 Convenience Rollup) i successfully received the updates from microsoft.

 

http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=46316&do=findComment&comment=273604

 

 

 

i dont know if it is a generally working update repair of a new installed w7 but in my case it works only in this version. all other kinds of "updaterepair" dont work on my pc.

 

1.  --> installed KB3020369

2.  --> installed KB3042058

restart

3.  --> installed KB3125574 (Windows 7 SP1 Convenience Rollup 316 MB)

 

after restart again and update-search i have the updates thanks hazelnut

[hazelnut]

Good news trium

 

Your post will let people know it is good and also easy to use.

 

Are you able to say if the convenience roll up includes the KB 3035583 (get win 10) nag update?

 

login123 wants to know over in this thread

 

http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=46316&do=findComment&comment=273621

[login123]

Thanks for that info, Trium and Hazelnut.  Very helpful. 

 

Fwiw, the microsoft page doesn't list kb 3035583 as part of this rollup. 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3125574

[trium]

Are you able to say if the convenience roll up includes the KB 3035583 (get win 10) nag update?

 

login123 wants to know over in this thread

 

http://forum.pirifor...316#entry273621

 

KB 3035583 isnt included in the convenience rollup.

 

 

but KB 3068708 is there

 

Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

 

+ KB 3075249

 

Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels. (Windows 8.1, Windows RT 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

 

+ KB 3080149

 

Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. This service provides benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows RT 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

[trium]

the following kbs are replaced with kb3125574:

 

Update für Windows 7 (KB2574819)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2607047)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2607576)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2639308)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2640148)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2647753)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2660075)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2679255)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2699779)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2709630)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2709981)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2719857)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2726535)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2731771)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2732059)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2732487)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2732500)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2735855)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2739159)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2741355)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2749655)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2756822)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2760730)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2762895)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2763523)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2773072)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2779562)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2786081)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2786400)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2791765)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2794119)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2798162)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2799926)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2800095)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2808679)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2813956)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2829104)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2830477)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2834140)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2835174)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2836502)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2843630)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2846960)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2846960)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2847077)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2852386)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2853952)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2863058)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2868116)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2882822)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2888049)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2890882)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2891804)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2893519)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2904266)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2905454)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2908783)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2913152)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2913431)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2913751)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2918077)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2919469)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2922717)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2923398)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2923545)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2928562)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2929733)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2929755)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2966583)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2970228)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2973337)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2977728)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2978092)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2980245)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2981580)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2985461)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2994023)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2998527)

Update für Windows 7 (KB2999226)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3000988)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3001554)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3004394)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3005788)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3006121)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3006137)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3006625)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3008627)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3009736)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3013410)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3013531)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3014406)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3020338)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3020370)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3040272)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3045645)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3048761)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3049874)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3054476)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3065979)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3068708)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3075249)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3077715)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3078667)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3080079)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3080149)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3081954)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3092627)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3095649)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3102429)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3107998)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3112148)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3118401)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3121255)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3133977)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3137061)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3138378)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3138901)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3147071)

Update für Windows 7 (KB3148851)

[login123]

Thanks very much, Trium.   

[Willy2]

@Trium: Thanks. Very useful list.

@login123:

I would recommend to install the "optional" KB 2852386 update. It updates the build-in "Disk Clean Up" tool. After that a user can SAFELY delete A LOT OF files from the bloated "C:\Windows\winsxs" folder.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2852386

[Willy2]

- Are there no updates for Win 7 this month ? Or are they released later this month ? Is MS too busy fixing bugs in the latest Win 10 release ?

[login123]

@login123:

I would recommend to install the "optional" KB 2852386 update.

 

OK, thanks for that, Willy2.  Just looked it up, will likely allow it. 

[Willy2]

- Warning: If you install this update & use the "Disk Clean Up" tool then you won't be able to remove the previous updates any more.

 

- Ooops. I took one look at the calender in Win 7 and that gave an answer why MS didn't release any updates yet. Next tuesday is the second tuesday of the month.

[Willy2]

- This article

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3058260/microsoft-windows/heres-how-to-significantly-speed-up-windows-7-scans-for-updates.html

says that one needs to install 2 updates (KB 3138612 & KB 3145739) to fix WU.

- "Mixing cement & beer to produce cheesecake" ??? I think Windows still contained (contains ???) one or more bugs when it came to handling Unicode characters and those bugs could/can throw WU "off the rails".

 

- I followed the instructions of reply # 13 in this thread

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/616671/what-is-going-on-with-windows-update/

It recommended to install KB 3102810 and it worked on my (freshly) installed Win 7 SP 1 system to solve the high CPU problem. (But it also recommended to install KB 3138612).

 

- On the topic "Installing IE 11":

    - I have a copy of the IE 11 stand alone installation program and a copy of the latest "Cumulative Security Update for IE 11". It allows me to install IE 11 even when WU "doesn't work". IE 11 checks whether or not a number of Updates are installed and will automatically download & install those Updates before it installs itself. Those updates are (I have those installation files as well):

 

       KB 2533623

       KB 2639308

       KB 2670838

       KB 2729094

       KB 2731771

       KB 2786081

       KB 2834140

       KB 2882822

       KB 2888049

 

In other words: I am less dependent on WU working properly.

 

- The WU procedure/algorithm still has some (small ???) bugs. Although I re-installed Win 7 SP 1 (2 days ago) WU recommended that I should install SP 1 (Size:  ~ 9 MB). But the Win 7 SP 1 stand alone update has a size of ~ 920 MB. And when I try to install that stand alone update (KB 976932) then I get a "SP 1 is already installed" error. Odd, very odd.

- Computers are complicated things, right ?

[Willy2]

- Based on info found on "BleepingComputer" I found something disturbing. It seems that if one hates to see that WU runs forever searching for updates then one needs install a new (security ???) patch every month, before one lets WU search for updates.

- It suggests that one or more updates "break" something in Windows and that only a (security ???) patch can fix that broken part of WU/Windows.

 

Quote from one "JohnC_21" (in bold italics) on june 15, 2016:

 

It is getting to a point where every month requires a new update to be manually installed. See this post. This month's required update is KB3161664.

 

In the future every month look at this site for the next update to manually download. 

 

http://wu.krelay.de/en/

 

Sources:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/610184/windows-update-taking-a-long-time-should-i-stop-it/

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/616671/what-is-going-on-with-windows-update

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/617418/windows-update-stalls-when-checking-for-updates/

http://wu.krelay.de/en/

[hazelnut]

First time I've ever had to do that. I had to install KB3161664 on Win 7 before I could get any updates

 

Stopped Win Updates service before install. (Make sure it is restarted afterwards.)

[Willy2]

@Hazelnut:  Vista has the same problems.

 

See e.g.:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/611898/windows-vista-update-hangs-at-checking-for-updates/

 

(Is MS too busy with Win 10 ???).

[mta]

 

(Is MS too busy with Win 10 ???).

 

you'd have to guess that is partly a reason, but also, Windows 7 is now 18 months out of mainstream support.

there has been 2 major OS releases since Windows 7 (3 if you count 8.1 as a sort of Windows 9).

they are probably treating Win7 like their XP user base.

[trium]

i have a little luck, the update-history goes with me currently very well.

the rollup update seems to work fine.

[nukecad]

Just to note that since Patch Tuesday this week my Windows 10 is also now having problems with Windows Updates.

 

Takes ages 'Checking for Updates' every time.

It just spent 10 minutes to find a Defender Definition update, installed it fast enough, then went back to 'Checking for Updates' for another 5 mins.

Before Tuesday it would take less than a minute to do a Defender Definition update and the checks..

 

Windows Modules Installer Worker also keeps firing up and taking 60-70% CPU and 80-90% disk access for 15-20 mins at a time.

 

I'm searching for solutions but most of the online suggestions involve turning off Automatic Updates, which you can't do in Win10 home.

 

So maybe it's not Windows trying to push Win7 users to upgrade to Win10?

Maybe its just Microsoft being incompetent (again)?

 

EDIT (13:17)

Well that seemed too easy, just ran Disk clean-up and used the option to Clean-up system files.

Went and did another Windows Update and it found and installed another Defender Definition update in under a minute.

I'll keep an eye on it, and the WMIU (I can hear that one start as the disk spins up).