Moderators hazelnut Posted January 10 Moderators Share Posted January 10 See here to see what it is all about. It's a Microsoft big mess. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-kb5034441-security-update-fails-with-0x80070643-errors/ Support contact https://support.ccleaner.com/s/contact-form?language=en_US&form=general or support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted January 11 Moderators Share Posted January 11 I deleted the Software Distribution files with BleachBit, and then paused Automatic Updates for 7 days since I don't want it to keep trying to install. I'll let Microsoft fix it at some point, and I'm not messing around with resizing partitions to accommodate an update I can care less about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators nukecad Posted January 11 Moderators Share Posted January 11 It installed without a problem here on patch Tuesday: I do have a 900 MB Recovery partition, - but it only has 298 MB used. *** Out of Beer Error ->->-> Recovering Memory *** Worried about 'Tracking Files'? Worried about why some files come back after cleaning? See this link:https://community.ccleaner.com/topic/52668-tracking-files/?tab=comments#comment-300043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators hazelnut Posted January 11 Author Moderators Share Posted January 11 It installed because of your recovery partition size (900MB) By default it is around 500 or 522 MB at install of operating system. Microsoft wants you to add 250MB by resizing it through Disk Management yourself. They resized Win 11 users partitions for them, there is no reason why the cannot do the same for Win 10. I dread to think of how many millions of machines this has affected. Also how many people tried to resize it themselves and now have no working machine. Support contact https://support.ccleaner.com/s/contact-form?language=en_US&form=general or support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators nukecad Posted January 11 Moderators Share Posted January 11 Well I don't know why mine is 900 MB, it's just what was there and I haven't resized it. AFAIK it's always been that size since the machine was new with Win 8.1 Bing on it, but it's the kind of thing you don't really pay attention to unless you have to. It was originally a 1TB HDD in this laptop, and I did shrink the C: partition before cloning it to a 500GB SSD, but that's the only change I've made to partition sizes. *** Out of Beer Error ->->-> Recovering Memory *** Worried about 'Tracking Files'? Worried about why some files come back after cleaning? See this link:https://community.ccleaner.com/topic/52668-tracking-files/?tab=comments#comment-300043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login123 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I can't imagine a million grandpas and grandmas going through all the fixit steps I see listed on other forums. Is microsoft going to fix this for us non-tekkies, you think? The CCleaner SLIM version is always released a bit after any new version; when it is it will be HERE :-) Pssssst: ... It isn't really a cloud. Its a bunch of big, giant servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators nukecad Posted January 13 Moderators Share Posted January 13 M$ are going to have to come up with an easier fix, as you say resizing partitions is not something that most would want to get involved with. Of couse being M$ whatever they do come up with might (probably will) 'break' something else for some users. Probably the best would be to get the new image file update down to below 500MB if they can. It's my belief that modern programmers have got lazy about optimizing the size of what they create because there is usually a lot of storage space available compared to 'the old days'. (Just look at how much space the CCleaner folder now takes compared to what it used to be). *** Out of Beer Error ->->-> Recovering Memory *** Worried about 'Tracking Files'? Worried about why some files come back after cleaning? See this link:https://community.ccleaner.com/topic/52668-tracking-files/?tab=comments#comment-300043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators nukecad Posted January 13 Moderators Share Posted January 13 It appears that the KB has been pulled, nothing official;y announced yet but users report that it is no longer trying to install. As the update isn't even needed on Win10 Home, which doesn't have Bitlocker, it's taken them long enough to pull it. The biggest problem for a quick fix seems to be that many OEMs have put the recovery partition before the OS partition, that is contrary to MS guidance for OEMs and means that it cannot now be easily expanded. From MS: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/kb5034441-windows-recovery-environment-update-for-windows-10-version-21h2-and-22h2-january-9-2024-62c04204-aaa5-4fee-a02a-2fdea17075a8 Quote IMPORTANT This update requires 250 MB of free space in the recovery partition to install successfully. If the recovery partition does not have sufficient free space, this update will fail. In this case, you will receive the following error message: 0x80070643 - ERROR_INSTALL_FAILURE To avoid this error or recover from this failure, please follow the Instructions to manually resize your partition to install the WinRE update and then try installing this update. Quote When you try to apply this update on a PC that has no recovery partition, the update is unsuccessful and you receive the error 0x80070643 ERROR_INSTALL_FAILURE. You do not need this update if the PC does not have a recovery partition. In this case, the error can be safely ignored. We are working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release. *** Out of Beer Error ->->-> Recovering Memory *** Worried about 'Tracking Files'? Worried about why some files come back after cleaning? See this link:https://community.ccleaner.com/topic/52668-tracking-files/?tab=comments#comment-300043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted January 13 Moderators Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, nukecad said: The biggest problem for a quick fix seems to be that many OEMs have put the recovery partition before the OS partition, that is contrary to MS guidance for OEMs and means that it cannot now be easily expanded. That's the problem when everyone does their own thing, i.e.; no official standards, not that any would follow "standards" anyway. I have two recovery partitions, the first after the OS partition is 548MB, then the next after it is 1GB. Both too full to install the useless update that isn't for Win10 Home. That's why I'm not worried about it. They probably want to update systems that features aren't available on since they're essentially already installed just not usable unless someone knows how to force them to be available like how Group Policy Editor can be enabled on Win10 Home since it's already installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki605 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It installed on one of my Win10 PCs, but failed on the other one. Once I read what the cause of the problem was, I used AOMEI Partition Assistant which I had bought years ago to resize the partitions and increased the recovery partition enough so that the update would install. But I agree that this would be an impossible work around for a non-techie user to figure out. Messing around with partitions is very risky if you don't know what you are doing. About as dangerous as editing the Registry. Win10 Pro x64 Desktop (Speccy) - Win10 Pro x64 Laptop (Speccy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators hazelnut Posted January 15 Author Moderators Share Posted January 15 Quote Next steps: We are working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-10-21H2#3231msgdesc Support contact https://support.ccleaner.com/s/contact-form?language=en_US&form=general or support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted January 24 Moderators Share Posted January 24 It tried to install again on my laptop last night, failed again. And they seem to be pre-loading something in C:\$WinREAgent with a new update.wim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators hazelnut Posted January 24 Author Moderators Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Andavari said: It tried to install again on my laptop last night, failed again. And they seem to be pre-loading something in C:\$WinREAgent with a new update.wim. They have said they will fix it in a future update. Support contact https://support.ccleaner.com/s/contact-form?language=en_US&form=general or support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login123 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Microsoft sent a fix which doesn't work for bitlocker which my OS (win 10 home) doesn't have. Apparently it is too big for the recovery partition which I DO have but don't know why. Now they seem to have pulled the update but this computer is still trying to get it. Now they have issued convoluted repair instructions which have failed for many users who are much tekkier that I am. I'm certainly not going to try CMD as administrator + reagent c + powershell + diskpart + wushowhide + Minitool + whatever. I maybe could, after all I can read, but I won't. IMHO, its 50/50 odds that they don't fix it. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water . . . The CCleaner SLIM version is always released a bit after any new version; when it is it will be HERE :-) Pssssst: ... It isn't really a cloud. Its a bunch of big, giant servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted January 28 Moderators Share Posted January 28 20 hours ago, login123 said: IMHO, its 50/50 odds that they don't fix it. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water . . . It will be 10 years in April of this year that they discontinued Windows XP updates, and I still run an old XP desktop for audio related stuff. And in those nearly 10 full years that old XP desktop hasn't had one damn thing (Microsoft) mess it up - of course using real-time protection antivirus on it and don't browse any websites whatsoever on it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators nukecad Posted January 28 Moderators Share Posted January 28 It's a security fix for an exploit that's unlikely ever to affect a home user, (unlikely to ever affect anyone), so quietly dropping it may well be their chosen option. As with a lot of security 'issues' these days the fixes provided are overkill for the vast majority of users, but needed or not they get pushed to them all anyway. https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-2024-20666 Quote A successful attacker could bypass the BitLocker Device Encryption feature on the system storage device. An attacker with physical access to the target could exploit this vulnerability to gain access to encrypted data. In other words to even try exploiting the Bitlocker bypass vulnerability the hacker world have to be already logged on to your machine as Administartor. How has the security software industry managed to convince everyone that they need to have government/military level security on their home computers? It's paranoia running rampant, with millions being paid each year for levels of home computer security that just isn't needed. You should match your security measures to the actual (expected) level of threat. *** Out of Beer Error ->->-> Recovering Memory *** Worried about 'Tracking Files'? Worried about why some files come back after cleaning? See this link:https://community.ccleaner.com/topic/52668-tracking-files/?tab=comments#comment-300043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted January 30 Moderators Share Posted January 30 That's why for years I've used GRC InSpectre to disable the Meltdown and Spectre patches so my Intel 4 Core 8 Thread laptop CPU does run like ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login123 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I finally used wushowhide to hide KB5034441. Windows 10 home. After using it, the many "failed to install" notifications disappeared from my update history. Hadn't expected that, but it's good. Now KB5034441 doesn't show up and slow the update process as it tries to install. Also good. Is it true that wushowhide only works if you're connected to the 'net when you run it? It seemed so here. But I didn't notice that in the instructions, maybe I overlooked it. The CCleaner SLIM version is always released a bit after any new version; when it is it will be HERE :-) Pssssst: ... It isn't really a cloud. Its a bunch of big, giant servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted March 26 Moderators Share Posted March 26 I had downloaded something (don't remember exactly what it's called at this time) to disable that particular update, and two supposed driver updates; 1 from Acer which I have a years newer version of already installed, and 1 from Intel that has no description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login123 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 FWIW, regular updates are still working properly here, AND KB5034441 never rears its ugly head. The CCleaner SLIM version is always released a bit after any new version; when it is it will be HERE :-) Pssssst: ... It isn't really a cloud. Its a bunch of big, giant servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamin4u Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Hi everyone. I was about to resize the Recovery Partition of 546 MB on my fresh install of Windows 10 Pro. (Shout out to Hazel for the installation tutorial you posted for me) I was going to use AOMEI Partition Assistant to perform the task. There was an issue after resizing the Recovery Partition using the app as shown in the link below. Included was a fix for the issue. I decided to wait until AOMEI came out with a fix of their own. As you can see in the changelog, they did this on 03/14/2024. Here's the kicker. I checked for MS updates before and KB5034441 installed successfully without resizing. What's up with that and am I the only one. Issue after resizing Recovery Partition — AOMEI Forum (aomeitech.com) AOMEI Partition Assistant Changelog (diskpart.com) Online Documentation...CCleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted March 28 Moderators Share Posted March 28 Was the recovery partition the last partition on your drive? If so, that's probably why it was successful if they've magically auto-resized it. Speaking of 3rd party tools like AOMEI, etc., supposedly according to info online when cloning a disk they don't copy the OEM recovery partition that's used to reset a PC back to the factory default image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamin4u Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Yes, the recovery partition is the last partition on the drive. The drive was not auto resized unless they switched it back to 546 MB after the update. I clone my primary drive using AOMEI once a month and they do clone the OEM recovery partition as far as I can tell. Online Documentation...CCleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamin4u Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I don't use Bitlocker myself. I use 7zip to archive in zip archive format with AES-256 encryption method for tax docs etc... The rest I could care less about. After reading all the posts here, it doesn't look like for security reasons, I really needed to go through all the trouble and risk to resize the partition so MS could install the update. I have a question or two if you don't mind. In the recovery system, should I be able to see files if I allow view hidden items? Or is the space used just reserved? The only thing I see is what Andavari stated. On 23/01/2024 at 22:36, Andavari said: It tried to install again on my laptop last night, failed again. And they seem to be pre-loading something in C:\$WinREAgent with a new update.wim. Online Documentation...CCleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators hazelnut Posted March 29 Author Moderators Share Posted March 29 @Jamin4u Perhaps this may be the reason? Read from here https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/backup-bitlocker-question.453673/#post-3189299 Support contact https://support.ccleaner.com/s/contact-form?language=en_US&form=general or support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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