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Forgot the link to the 64 bit version. The newer versions are apparently not free. http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/24339-yaru_64-bit Thanks for the kind words, Hazelnut. This may be another momentous dicovery that everybody already knew about. But I sure didn't. Going to learn what I can now, though.

I came across a reference to the possibility of recovering a deleted registry key. Never had heard of it, thought regediting was irreversible, deleted entries were just gone, period. Got curious, found a tool called YARU (Yet Another Registry Utility) which finds registry keys that have been deleted. It doesn't seem to be a competitor w/ CCleaner, as it just allows viewing the registry and maybe editing (haven't tried that). It works, on this computer it found some old registry keys associated with Realplayer which I had deleted some time ago. No other software I've tried can find them. So I wonder, are they like a regular file, marked as gone but not really gone? When we delete them "normally" what happens, are they kept, if so where & for how long? And a larger question, what else does windows squirrel away and pretend it's gone. Be careful. Editing the registry is dangerous. YARU is not very intuitive, little available in the way of help documentation. Usually editing the registry is harmless or fatal, not much in between. Still, if you want to check it out, some information about YARU and a link to a free version can be found here: http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/24338-yaru_32-bit or

Aahhh well, another one bites the dust. As you say, keeping current is pretty much a necessity if you are helping folks. It's really very good of you to volunteer as you do. Your friends would be hard pressed to find your level of expertise elsewhere.

Same here, Corona. I'm not what you would call an "early adopter", still running win xp and office 97.

good for you, LuLu. Don't have a new one to share yet, but good for you.

Don't know about ie11, but the last version of FF portable, ver 32.0.3, does seem to be slower than ver 32.0.1 or ver 32.0.2. Could just be this slow net connection but I don't think so.

. . . or not.

Yep, possibly so. Still, it has become obvious that indyrod and c627627 are more interested in reiterating their complaints than accepting explanations. 4 pages, nothing new. Maybe one of the other moderators will close it and you won't have to be the bad guy.

Thanks.

Seems like everyone has pretty well established and intractable positions. Not much to be gained by restating them. All the questions asked by c627627 in post #1 are answered. Why not just close the topic? Just sayin . . .

Woo hoo, that's the one I'm already using. Opera Mini was the very best browser for the old Blackberry phone model 9810. Not available afaik for newer model Z10 except in the form of an android app. Hope to be corrected about that. Bit off topic, but the native browser on the Z10 is really good. Fast, versatile, intuitive. Wonder what it is based on?

Which Opera version is best for xp, you think? Thanks.

I agree. If a software can not be controlled, out it goes. That's the reason for the sentence in post #52 that says: "If it is a huge issue, just disconnect from the net before installing it, it will never again try to phone out unless you have it set to do so." CCleaner will only try to phone out at the point of installation, not later, and even if it succeeds no harm is done. I've tried it. I don't care enough about it to install and run some sort of packet sniffer to see what is going out or in, but that is an option. I use Process Explorer and TCPView from sysinternals to watch what is happening on this system. Bit off topic, but, fwiw, Avast is an exception on this old xp computer. It does a lot of communication as soon as the net is connected. I don't know what that is and don't much like it, but i do like Avast, so I tolerate it.

Very generous of you, nergal.

For all my clients, I install useful softwares (such as the AV, MBAM, SpywareBlaster, CCleaner. . . ) so that they do stuff automatically. Both clients appreciate it. I can see a benefit to having CCleaner work automatically for users who just turn the computer on, use it, and turn it off. That includes most people, imho, and for them automatic cleaning will probably prove useful. For me, I don't let anything update, run, or phone home automatically. Most of those options are easy to select when installing CCleaner. After installing, ticking 2 boxes and a popup turns off the monitoring function. Easy, just not obvious. After that CCleaner leaves no running processes. I have no idea what CCleaner sends or receives when it installs. Doesn't matter to me, I trust the Piri team. Someone else may know how to shut off the phoneout, I don't. If it is a huge issue, just disconnect from the net before installing it, it will never again try to phone out unless you have it set to do so. Edit 05nov14: Not sure the sentence above still true, a newer version may phone out more often than just once. That covers all the material issues I can see in this topic. Right now the newest version of ccleaner is running here exactly the same way as the much older version did. I'm not an employee, not very tekkie, just a forum hanger-on with no agenda except to say that CCleaner is a pretty good product, and the monitoring function has not changed that.

Another rendering of the stats: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-201309-201409 Same site shows that xp has plummeted to only 13 percent worldwide.

Harrumph. Well, there goes my big raise. Dagnabbit. Still, do post back what works out if you can. Probably would help others.

Members & moderators here are all volunteers, not paid. Their salaries are zero. (The Piriform Factory: http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=36980 has promised to double mine next year, but don't tell anybody .) If you buy the paid version you get access to help directly from the developers, for a year, I think. Speccy, etc. probably still won't work dependably with win 10, though, until win 10 settles down a bit.

Hazelnut, way back when I uninstalled realplayer, I used the uninstall routine suggested by realplayer at the time. Those difficult entries were left over. I have ignored them for years. To be honest, they didn't hurt anything, and removing them doesn't seem to have made much difference.

@ John: Odd coincidence. I just finished cleaning out some very old (years & years) realplayer registry entries. They were buried deep and were protected from deletion. CCleaner and the native registry editor wouldn't touch them. Never have liked realplayer for that very reason: It locks itself into your system, and makes decisions without asking. Fwiw, there are good alternatives available, see the Freeware topic. MPC-HC and VLC Media Player come to mind, there may be others. As to the method used to delete those stubborn keys, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, just too much chance of a slip up that could cripple your system. Some legitimate entries, which should be left alone, look almost exactly like realplayer entries which can be deleted. No offense intended, not suggesting that you know less about registry editing than I do, but I do know this registry here quite well. Other members who know more than I may be able to help, but i had to alternate between coffee and nerve pills the whole time, and wouldn't wish that on anyone.

To turn off monitoring, try the steps in post #1, in the order they are listed: http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41860 Did that fix it? If you are using a winapp2.ini file, there may be an issue related to the /auto option. I don't know much about this option, but thete is some info here: http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41890&do=findComment&comment=253979 If you don't get ti fixed to your liking, post back & somebody who knows more that I (a rather large group ) will help.

Thanks, Hazelnut.

Is it true that this is what SpywareBlaster does? Also its older brother SpywareGuard, now retired?

Hi, STH. I have win xp sp3 running on a desktop, using Avast AV and Spywareblaster. Just now uninstalled my old version of CCleaner free and installed the latest, from here: http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download It installed & runs fine, only new thing is that the Monitoring function starts automatically. If you can get it to install, you can shut monitoring off using the instructions here: http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41860 Fwiw, I didn't try the slim version, but the portable version from Hazelnut's link seems to have the monitoring function turned off by default. It also runs fine here. Could it be that some antivirus or antimalware app is blocking your installation?. <--- wild guess.

Ninja'ed by mta. I would only add this, but this is just me, maybe overly cautious. Uncheck all the boxes in the CCleaner tabs and the registry section. Go back into the CCleaner tabs and check and clean each box one at a time until you find out what each one does. Don't use the registry cleaner unless you are absalooteley sure what you are doing. Remember where you saved the registry backups if you do. also, This post shows you how to turn off the monitoring function if you want to: http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41860