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Cannot replicate on Vista x32 with 2.0 RC Beta

Thats a natural consequence Mocca

Cannot replicate on Vista x32 with 2.0 RC Beta

How did that ever happen? You must have added some custom ini entries cos that certainly isnt default behaviour.

Generally the winapp.ini is out of date and it requires a user to audit their software and write a custom winapp2.ini. There's also differences with Vista where CCleaner doesnt delete things that are a privacy issue that cant be done due to limitations in the ini system. Vista also stores things in different areas so I think Piriform need to start seperating out the XP vs Vista requirements into seperate inis or something. I think that to fix this problem Piriform should setup better tools so the community can do a better job of submitting enhancements and new detections for software. It's kinda like anti virus updates. They need to continually be done as software continually changes and new operating systems change the way applications work with the OS, as well adding new features. The current method with only having one winapp2.ini as a "sticky" isnt really meeting whats needed and the ini definitions themselves are incorrect cos they are out of date, and dont work right for Vista.

Computers arent reliable - atleast the types your propbably using. That is, no raid, no ECC ram and so on. I will say again there is no possible way CCleaner had anything to do with corruption of a protected windows system file. This is the reason virus's arent common anymore but worms are, cos the attack vector of messing with protcted windows systems files was tightly closed years ago. If you dont have backups you cant rollback. If your data is important to you explore raid and or off disk backup solutions.

Great stuff MrG I really think that CCleaner has the potential to be the worlds best privacy tool for windows users. Can I please highlight my post where I reported some problems with Vista and problems with the ini file defintions: http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showto...amp;#entry82627

A minor bug - Build 495 claims to be 491 when a user goes to the check for updates URL.

One bug is fixed - revision 2.00.495 fixes the subdirectory problem like that found in the flash player roaming profile good job Mr G

With the bug fixes in ccleaners defintion file and also TwistedMetals defintion update I've shared above, its also got some fixes for Vista specific stuff. Unfortunately I havent had any info on how to improve the bad hacks I did and maybe it will need a new version of CCleaner to add that. Hopefully along with other Vista specific enhancements. What I have done is change the defintion for Free Download Manager to keep the preference of which directory I want to download to, instead of wiping this setting which I consider to be part of the setup and not a provacy issue. Ammended code below: [*Free Download Manager 2.5] LangSecRef=3022 Detect=HKLM\SOFTWARE\FreeDownloadManager.ORG\Free Download Manager Default=True FileKey1=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|dlmgrsi.sav FileKey2=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|downloads.del.sav FileKey3=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|downloads.his.sav FileKey4=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|downloads.sav FileKey5=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|history.sav FileKey6=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|mctasks.sav FileKey7=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|schedules.sav FileKey8=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|sites.sav FileKey9=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|spider.sav FileKey10=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|*.bak

While that article is helpful (thanks Hazelnut) I don't agree with the assertion in it that recovering from this situation requires a reinstall. IMHO the easiest fix is to boot the emergency recovery console and do a fixboot / fixmbr, or try the auto repair windows feature as a second option.

Your not helping by claiming incorrect things or taking a diagnostic line thats irrational

JDpower none of the versions of CCleaner ini's will do that. In fact it can't. Also no application could ever need to change the hardware abstraction layer. In fact, its a protected windows system file that even when a virus tries to delete or modify it, windows will fix it immediately. Your going up the wrong path on this line.

The simplest method is for the dev team to add this functionality within the program rather than trying to fit a square plug in a round hole with the extensible ini's. IMHO this should be disabled by default for sure.

Typically many applications dont properly remove themselves during an uninstall. CCleaner uses methods to detect if the thing exists or not. You need to lookup what the ini's CCleaner uses to detect and then manually delete those objects.

Theres no way CCleaner is going to fiddle with the hardware abstraction layer. Look in the ini's for yourself to see. Your problem is coincidental and the root cause lies elsewhere.

It all depends on what you think is "clutter" against useful stuff. Like, you might like the autocomplete data in your browser. Or you might prefer that google earth's cache is not deleted. My advice is dont delete anything your not sure about and do research on things to find out more. CCleaner is not in a robust state as the defintions for how to detect and remove "clutter" are old. Some things dont get detected and other times things are not deleted fully. The community has not done a good job of helping the devs keep this stuff up to date - its more or less a continual task as new software and new versions of existing software came out - plus the issues with new operating systems like Vista. It's worse on Vista too due to changes and additions to where "clutter" can be stored. There is also somethings Im not sure CCleaner can do that are privacy problems like not being able to remove directories as well as files that leaves trails of where the user has been with adobe's flash player. I asked about it here but did not get any reply.

Its not an addition to TwistedMetals winapp2.ini. Theres too many bugs in those ini files for Vista users and its been too long since they were fixed for new releases that changed the detections and so forth. I made this one to deal with Vista and the apps Ive got installed.

I remember seeing on the web back in the xp days what the default tcp receive window and all of the rest of it is. Youll be able to recover the defaults from the web using regedit. Vista has a dynamic tcpip stack that optimises the settings in real time

Ok Ive finished my audit and come up with a winapp2.ini that will do me for the time being. I highly recommend a complete regression test is needed cos theres things in these inis that isnt right with Vista. Thanks to Mr G for a great proggy and to TwistedMetal for some of his apps into my ini. List of problems with CCleaner for my apps Adobe Flash Player - winapp.ini incomplete settings winapp.ini is trying to do FileKey1=%appdata%\Macromedia\Flash Player|*.*|RECURSE So when I go into the roaming appdata area and look at the macromedia directories I see things like Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys\#www.ferrariworld.com which while emptry still reveals a privacy issue. Also under Roaming\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\XVNYRCZ9\www.ferrariworld.com Adobe Reader - winapp.ini incomplete settings Updater log isnt deleted AppData\Local\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\Updater\updater.log various logs \Local\Adobe\Updater5 cache lst files not deleted \Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\Cache\*.lst Also crap left over in \Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Setup Files usercache.bin not deleted Fraps - not in winapp2.ini Latest Free Download Manager - winapp2.ini wrong reg detect method version 2.5 Google Earth - winapp.ini wrong reg detect method also not deleting my places ImgBurn - winapp2.ini changed to Vista variables Sun Java - winapp.ini path for cleanup wrong Added log cleaup Removed non existant path Notepad++ - not in winapp2.ini Open office - not in winapp.ini and the common.xcu file path changed Quickpar - changed for vista local varibale Added more temp cleaning and local low cryptnet url cache content and metadata cleaning Added Winrar comment, ftp accounts and config.msi cleaning thanks to TwistedMetal Fixes in my winapp2.ini 1. The one for fraps is is a bad hack cos I currently dont know how to read reg strings and use those as paths in winapp2 and it wont work for a default fraps install 2. Until I know how to delete subdirectories and not just files reursively in winapp2.ini things like Adobe Flash player and Adobe Reader fixes wont be right 3. Ive used Vista specific variables 4. No thumbnail delete or volume shadow copy (I turn it off) 5. files in user\appdata\local\microsoft\windows\temporary internet files are not being deleted by CCleaner but the ie7 delete all does and no MSIMGSIZ.DAT clean? 6. Theres probably more Vista things to clean that I dont use like dvd maker or the photo stuff ; Application Cleaning file;; Notes; ---------------------------------------; LangSecRef; 3021 = Applications; 3022 = Internet; 3023 = Multimedia; 3024 = Utilities; 3025 = Windows[*More Adobe Reader 8.0 (Bad Hack)]LangSecRef=3021Detect=HKCU\Software\Adobe\Acrobat Reader\8.0\AVGeneralDefault=TrueFileKey1=%ProgramFiles%\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Setup Files|*.*|RECURSEFilekey2=%localappdata%\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\Updater|*.logFilekey3=%localappdata%\Adobe\Updater5|*.logFilekey3=%localappdata%\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\Cache|*.lstFilekey4=%appdata%\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0|usercache.bin[*Config.msi Folder]LangSecRef=3025Default=TrueDetectFile=%windir%\system32\msiexec.exeFileKey1=%systemdrive%\Config.msi|*.*|RECURSE[*Fraps (Bad Hack)]LangSecRef=3021Detect=HKLM\SOFTWARE\Fraps2Default=TrueFileKey1=%ProgramFiles%\Fraps|*.bmpFileKey2=%ProgramFiles%\Fraps|*.jpgFileKey3=%ProgramFiles%\Fraps|*.pngFileKey4=%ProgramFiles%\Fraps|*.tgaFileKey5=%ProgramFiles%\Fraps|*.avi[*Free Download Manager 2.5]LangSecRef=3022Detect=HKLM\SOFTWARE\FreeDownloadManager.ORG\Free Download ManagerDefault=TrueFileKey1=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|*.savFileKey2=%appdata%\Free Download Manager|*.bak[*FTP Accounts]LangSecRef=3025Detect=HKCU\Software\Microsoft\FtpDefault=TrueRegKey1=HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Ftp\Accounts[*Google Earth]LangSecRef=3021Detect=HKCU\SOFTWARE\Google\Google Earth PlusDefault=FalseFileKey1=%localappdata%\Google\GoogleEarth|dbcache.datFileKey2=%localappdata%\Google\GoogleEarth|dbcache.dat.indexFileKey3=%appdata%\Google\GoogleEarth|*.*RegKey1=HKCU\Software\Google\Google Earth Plus\Search[*ImgBurn]LangSecRef=3021Detect=HKCU\Software\ImgBurnDefault=TrueFileKey1=%appdata%\ImgBurn\Log Files|*.*[*More Sun Java (Bad Hack)]LangSecRef=3022Detect=HKLM\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Plug-inDefault=TrueFileKey1=%userprofile%\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\Deployment\cache|*.*|RECURSEFileKey2=%userprofile\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\Deployment\log|*.*[*Notepad++]LangSecRef=3021Detect=HKLM\Software\Notepad++Default=TrueFileKey1=%appdata%\Notepad++|session.xml[*OpenOffice 2.2]LangSecRef=3021Detect=HKLM\SOFTWARE\OpenOffice.org\OpenOffice.org\2.2Default=TrueFileKey1=%appdata%\OpenOffice.org2\user\registry\data\org\openoffice\Office|Common.xcu[*More Temp Files]LangSecRef=3025Default=TrueFileKey1=%userprofile%\AppData\LocalLow\Microsoft\CryptnetUrlCache\Content|*.*FileKey2=%userprofile%\AppData\LocalLow\Microsoft\CryptnetUrlCache\MetaData|*.*FileKey3=%allusersprofile%\temp|*.*|RECURSEFileKey4=%allusersprofile%\Application Data\Temp|*.*|RECURSE[*QuickPAR]LangSecRef=3024Detect=HKCU\Software\QuickParDefault=TrueFileKey1=%localappdata%\QuickPar|*.*[*WinRAR Comment]LangSecRef=3024Detect=HKCU\Software\WinRARDefault=TrueRegKey1=HKCU\Software\WinRAR\General\Info|CommentFile

Vista has changed around the app data directory structure with roaming, locallow and local. All the inis should be analysed for impacts. EDIT: Investigating more this appears to still work the old way even though the directory path doesnt actually exist. Googling this issue people are saying not using %localappdata% can lead to problems but I havent seen any specific things mentioned yet. e.g. Apparently the right way is %localappdata%\Application Data\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\Cache\Search80 And not %userprofile%\Local Settings\Application Data\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\Cache\Search80

And how do I delete subdirectories, not just files recursively?

If the file path is stored in the registry how do I look up that variable and then code it into winapp2.ini to handle different areas a user might have preferred to put crap to be cleaned in an app? e.g. HLM Software Fraps2 there is a string with a path in it I want to specify in winapp2.ini Dont tell me this isnt supported

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