SSD Optimizations

[olejnikster]

**Any ideas on the subject of adding support for SSD Drives Optimizing to Defraggler**

1.MLC

2.SLC

3.TRIM based

4.RAID Setups

5.Variants of the above together

6.Mfg~firmware specific

7.Onboard drive controller specific

[redhawk]

You should never defrag a SSD drive unless you want to send it to an early grave.

 

Richard S.

[mr don]

You should never defrag a SSD drive unless you want to send it to an early grave.

 

Richard S.

 

Any drive can be sent to an early grave with defrag.

I think what he is asking for here, however, is not necessarily a full defrag, but a defraggler that will auto detect an SSD type drive, then implement SSD type functions that will help improve performance.

[Aethec]

There is no such thing as improving SSD performance using defragging methods - and a "SSD Optimizer" tool doesn't belong to a defrag tool. Besides, automagically improving a drive's speed by 917382624% is impossible.

[Andavari]

You should never defrag a SSD drive unless you want to send it to an early grave.

I looked at SSD drives the other day and one of the first things the sales clerk said was "don't defrag them," then he said depending upon use they may only last 2 to 3 years.

[mr don]

Besides, automagically improving a drive's speed by 917382624% is impossible.

 

Most sites agree that if an SSD drive is nearly full, up to a 30-40% write (not read) increase could be possible.

This is very, very different from saying 917,382,624%. In fact, that is roughly 22,934,565.6 times more...

 

I am thinking that perhaps he may be referring to "lite" operations, such as a method to enable TRIM or other things on either OS/SSD without that support, & thus the "optimizations".

 

I am kinda thinking he probably never meant a full defrag, or operations that would drastically shorten the life of the drive.

It is possible that I could be incorrect, however.

 

This seems to be a concern of a lot of people, that there could/should be things that can be done to SSD drives.

Seeing the plethora of information available, it is no wonder...

[Aethec]

Win7 has TRIM support built-in, and most SSD firmware implement it if the OS doesn't support it.

[mr don]

Win7 has TRIM support built-in, and most SSD firmware implement it if the OS doesn't support it.

 

Cool!

 

I don't have an SSD yet.

To be honest, in spite of the speed increase, the negative comments concerning drive life & write operations yet scare me from trying one just yet!

 

But nice to know... Just in case I do get one later.

 

Thanks for the info!

[olejnikster]

To add to the base, I own a 32 GB Samsung SLC SSD. I do must say I am quite impressed looking at the performance that using it delivers. I was not too long ago an avid fan of gaming on my watercooled custom pc rig. I've used two wd-raptor x hdds in RAID 0 config. But the performance that a single SSD provides is astonishing. As so enough I still use it in my laptop which I'm currently writing this post on. I've owned this SSD from new and it is close to 2 years that I have it. As far as performance over time, no drops from new yet. Many installs later holds just as perfect as day one. It is to underline a "SLC" technology product not cheaper "MLC" alternative as far as the type of NAND memory used inside. More expensive yes, but more rugged than the cheaper other. The bad name that brought it's cause to SSDs came through MLC based SSDs and the onboard controller of the MLC SSD. Loads of forums serve to that as far as research. There are now however new controllers being packed to MLC SSDs that are showing signs of a new era. Can't confirm that fact from myself yet but gonna wait out, to see how that performs. I did own previously a Transcend MLC based SSD which I could only use for storage at best, no luck of getting Windows XP to install on that(bit of luck, Linux did but sluggish afterwards as noting else). For laptops I will underline and give all praise, low power usage, no heat whatsoever, and exceptional performance. Don't want any other.

 

As far as defragging and software based optimization, that I did come across as well. Just to point out a few interesting things, I defrag(consolidate) my free space on my SSD to keep the performance at max(still no fails as yet). O&O pro 14 has TRIM supported optimization as of now. MFT do a separate filesystem (instead to NTFS/FAT32) http://managedflash.com/index.htm. Raxco also cater to SSDs as well(using that at the mo). And then there is http://www.diskeeper.com/hyperfast/index.aspx.

 

There we go a few things to mention on SSDs..