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after playing with winapp2.ini I've decided to stick with the functionality of ccleaner.ini as some of the winapp2 entries I've never heard of and most of the rest i've never had installed. it's just not applicable to my usage. found it was taking a lot longer to start CCleaner with the default winapp2 list of entries. maybe, and other threads have hinted at the idea, there could be a first-time scan it does when installed where it looks at all the installed software and makes the appropriate winapp2 file based on the PC it's used on.

is there a way to go deeper into detail with the change logs? statements like "Added support for Firefox 16" & "Improved performance for Windows 8"; I'd like to know what that entails as a heads-up.

Good, 'take a step back and see the bigger picture' wrap-up Keatah. People should stick to whatever gives them the best PC usage experience. If someone doesn't like, for example, what iTunes does, there are alternatives. But for the global masses, most of the stuff works most of the time. Personally and maybe luckily, I've always setup PC's with the usual package of software, like Java, Flash, Shockwave, iTunes, Office etc, and haven't (yet !) had any major issues. Why?, the vast majority of people use them, like them and they just work. BUT, there's always a couple of bumps along the road with any software. Hell, I reckon every software company (this one included) would release a bug or two over its lifetime. But we still use the products. I also will happily try a new product, like Foxit over Adobe, or Firefox over IE, and embrace it if I find any benefit in doing so, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face as the saying goes. But this thread has been an eye-opener on maybe just how little Java is used in the real world and the level of hatred (maybe too strong a word!!!) towards it.

Richard, Try and pinpoint what may be causing the problem. Untick Custom Files & Folders and stop using winapp2.ini if you do, to see if the problem goes away. Also put CCleaner back to default settings in case it's something extra you have ticked. At least that way you'll have a better idea of where to focus your attention.

I take it you have rebooted and tried again, in the off chance it's 'just one of those things'. Next, I would be checking the hard drive for errors, looking for file system errors and bad sectors.

I believe Firefox does the same thing, it'll disable the Java plugin if it is outdated.

OK, to clear up this JAVA not needed opinion. Can we start a list of what JAVA actually is used for and where/when someone may require it? I believe Minecraft, iTunes and some web bank sites require it? Correct ?? What are any others?

the interface is fine. the poor bugger just got caught out like most of us have at some stage. by simply missing a tick box or not going through the default settings, the program did something he wasn't expecting. As Keatah says, it may have ticked him off but in the grand scheme of things, there are worse things that can happen. Life goes on...

+1. Add to that list 2 more items; Emails. Lost count the number of PC's I've had to service because the user opened a crap email that they were just too damn curious not to or too lazy to read properly and simply clicked on imbeded links without thinking. Maintenance. ccleaner, defraggler, malwarebytes, registry mechanic Touch wood, I've also been using Windows for decades with only one infection which my neighbour gave me on a floppy (ahh, floppies, good days)

and of course the same goes for Java and any other plug-in or what-have-you. You don't realise just how many programs & sites expect you to have these things installed to even look at the site, let alone view it in all it's glory. so the trade-off is, be more secure, turn these things off or surf your sites as they were intended and run the risk (very small IMO) of falling victom to a security hole. my 2 cents worth...

so can i assume that it is the general consensus of this thread that if we removed java (and maybe flash) that our web browsing experience will be none the poorer ??? i'm always interested in making any PC more secure. i was just under the opinion (maybe naively) that java and flash were somewhat required, especially web bank sites. but i'd be happy to be proved wrong. Maybe the best test is for me to simply remove those guys and see what happens. I'll let you know.

what in AVG 2013, or in any AVG folder in general, would you be looking for to tidy up. If it's LOG files why not setup in Options, Include an entry for *.log and *.log.*

Ah yes, sounds obvious now you mention it. Thanks.

Sorry but I mustn't have made my point. I'm more interested in the INCLUDE section of ccleaner.ini versus winapp2.ini for example; if i have a line in ccleaner.ini like Include1=PATH|C:\|*.tmp|RECURSE how is that better/worse than to use a similar entry in winapp2.ini like [.NET Framework Logs*] LangSecRef=3025 DetectFile=%WinDir%\Microsoft.NET Default=False FileKey1=%WinDir%\Microsoft.NET|*.log|RECURSE (yes i realise the second only works within the specifed folder) Surely I can make an entry in winapp2.ini that will do the same result as if it was in ccleaner.ini, like if DetectFile=C:\ and change FileKey1=C:\|*.tmp|RECURSE

Ouch, that sucks, just makes you appreciate a good backup regime. Old PC saying drummed into me at Uni: backup now, backup often.

Okay, probably a real stupid question, but what is the advantages(not the differences) of using one over the other? In a nutshell, they both list the files that are looked for and cleaned, am I right?

Cleanup! is the software I was using before I descovered CCleaner, it must have been around for at least 8 years or so. That's at least how long it seems i've been using it. Made by Steven Gould and can readily be found on his website. An Australian PC magazine has included it in it's monthly cover CD for ages. I'm trying to get to grips with all the customisations of CCleaner so I can be as happy in recommending it as I was with Cleanup!

OK, great, a logical explaination at last to satisfy my curiousity. I wasn't aware of MS changing them with Vista.

in actual fact, it was done, my omission was not telling you about it. my mistake. i have repeated the excerise and in the Advanced Custom Files and Folders, only log files and temp folders are listed. i can't see a reason to suspect any of them - but i know what you are thinking - whatever is listed no matter how remote, must be the culprit (sherlock holmes and all that). to be honest, i'm over it. i've wasted far too many hours, reboots and re-installs on something that isn't worth the grey matter. i've changed the entry from ~*.* to ~*.doc* and ~*.xls* as that will capture the vast majority of leftover Office crap. the reason it's nice to look for these files is when doing a PC cleanup, often I'll find a whole swag of these files taking up huge amounts of space that people were not aware of as these files are by default hidden by the system. plus i have been using other software that had no issues and i was trying to get away from running CC and this other one. as to your point about the Restore Points, surely the same can be said for any file that CC cleans up, there is always a chance that file also lives in the system info volume folder. not that it should matter greatly as the restore points don't include personal files, and only certain OS files. it wouldn't include an office recovery file, "~my cv.doc" for example, in a restore point. do you know if CC is able to delete from the sys info folder due to the higher privlegde level required. i would have thought restore points were a no go area for any program other than the OS.

I'm sure you are right and in fact I have now removed the desktop.ini entry from the ccleaner.ini file as I can't be bothered working out what CC is doing wrong. I don't mean to disrespect CC but i've been removing these files with other software for years without this side effect listed above so it must be some internal handling of this file by CC that is having this effect. I know desktop.ini gets recreated and all that, but in essence, they are just mere INI files. Their presence tells Windows how folders are displayed, their lack of existance in no way adversly effects Windows so it's scary when Start menu entries get corrutped from running CC with this entry listed in ccleaner.ini. But, all water under the bridge, as I started with, it was more an undesirable 'feature' rather than a bug. I merely listed it here to a) maybe let the programmers know and alert other users about including desktop.ini as it seems liekly others may try to include it.

Not so much a bug, the program doesn't abort or anything that nasty. If I include desktop.ini in Custom Files and Folders it happily goes and finds them all. But if you then go to Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, the entries for Computer and Defrag have been corrupted. They still work, but the names have changed. Very weird. I'm just wondering what else may have happened.

Great theory Alan_B, i tried it out, but sadly no luck. I ran CCleaner until nothing was found to be cleaned. I then added the ~*.* and did a Analyze, the only file to show up in the summary reults was c:\system volume information\tracking.log which shgould have no bearing on Office, but what the heck, I added it to the exclusion list, did a Run Cleaner, went to open Excel and Pow!, dead again. Box pops-up titled Windows Installer saying Preparing to install... another box then pops-up titled Microsoft Office Simgle Image 2010 saying Please wait whil Windows configures Microsoft Office Simgle Image 2010 This issue only arises if Custom Files and Folders is ticked and if I include the ~*.* entry, so I know it's something I an initiating and something CCleaner isn't handling the way one would except. Have a go yourself and see if it's not just lucky me!.

That's an option but not the prefered method. If you use Word, as an example, to open TXT, INI and so on, file types, the list of entries in CCleaner will get rather long. Then add to that Publisher, PowerPoint, OneNote and it starts to become a logistical nightmare. I can't see what CCleaner does to the ~*.* wildcard that is causing Office to lose the plot. Another program I use, Cleanup!, can handle the wildcard fine, so I know it's not a Office problem.

Under Options, Include, if I have a recursive entry for ~*.* to remove 'lost' Office files, the next time I start an Office application, it goes through a small reinstallation process. PC is Win7 64bit, Office is 2010 Pro 64bit Any idea on how this file type can be listed without Office thinking it needs reinstalling?