cannuck21 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I am not a technical person so please excuse my lact of 'knowledge' but I have a question. My new PC has a ceramic hard drive (specs shown below) and my IT people have advised me against using CCleaner or the defraggler with this hard drive. Is this correct or a misunderstanding? Many thanks for any advice Cannuck21 Specs Intel Core i3-3220 Dual-Core 3.30GHz 3MB Socket 1155 BOX Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV Intel H61 DDR3 Socket 1155 1PCI-Ex(16x)/1xPCI-Ex/2xPCI with 4xUSB/Video 8GB DDR3-1600 Kit, 2 x 4GB DIMM Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD SATA Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200rpm 64MB SATA LG GH24NS95 24x Dual Layer DVD-RW / DVD+RW Black SATA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winapp2.ini Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I think you mean "Solid State" drive. CCleaner is fine to run on the Solid State, don't defrag it though as solid state memory doesn't need to be defragged. winapp2.ini additions thread winapp2.ini github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Augeas Posted September 17, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 17, 2013 ... and no free space wiping and no secure deletion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winapp2.ini Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It's fine to defrag the 1TB drive, as it's a HDD. winapp2.ini additions thread winapp2.ini github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted September 18, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's fine to defrag the 1TB drive, as it's a HDD. But the smaller drive, your correct not to wipe/defrag ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. Support at https://support.ccleaner.com/s/?language=en_US Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT via email support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators mta Posted September 18, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2013 since you are new to SSD's (solid state drives) maybe this will help get you started. http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=38632&hl= open the PDF attachment in the first post. Also, SSD's get discussed here regularly, a quick search of other threads will pop up many topics that may help your learning curve - if you're interested of course. Backup now & backup often.It's your digital life - protect it with a backup.Three things are certain; Birth, Death and loss of data. You control the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_B Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200rpm 64MB SATA That is NOT what I would call a specification. I wondered if there was something special about the ceramic materials in the heads. Google's best guess for me was "Seagate Barracuda 1 TB HDD SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST1000DM003" http://www.amazon.co...3/dp/B005T3GRNW I was intrigued by the claim "Seagate OptiCache technology boosts overall performance by as much as 45% over the previous generation" After a few more searches I still see absolutely no proper information upon the nature of "OptiCache technology", but I did stumble upon :- In another development, Seagate said it will be converting its line of Barracuda XT 3.5-in. hard drives to a hybrid drive technology by adding NAND flash to the drives as a type of inexpensive cache. The most frequently used data is kept on the NAND flash board to increase performance. Seagate already sells hybrid drives under its Momentus XT line, which has up to 500GB capacity. The Barracuda XT lineup includes models that have as much as 3TB of capacity. Seagate would not specify a date for the launch of the new Barracuda XT hybrid drives, saying only that its disclosure of the new line is to demonstrate it is committed to hybrid technology. http://www.computerw...ine_on_7200_rpm I have to raise the question (and leave it for others to answer) If defragging an SSD based on NAND Flash cells is a bad idea, then should we contemplate defragging through the NAND Flash cells of hybrid drives and their ilk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemtest Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 One would need to research the density and durability of the nand cache. This may be entirely different than what is used in the cheap consumer grade SSDs. This may be large geometry and SLC, thus it would have billions of write cycles. It has to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_B Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 One would need to research the density and durability of the nand cache. This may be entirely different than what is used in the cheap consumer grade SSDs. This may be large geometry and SLC, thus it would have billions of write cycles. It has to! True, BUT Although a 1 Terabyte "Server Grade" SSD may have a thousand times the endurance of a consumer grade SSD, A 64 MB sized Flash Cell cache is going to suffer 16,000 times the average SSD degradation if it has to withstand multiple writes of Terabyte defragmentation. It is just possible his I.T. people may know what they are talking about - yes I also believe in miracles It may be reasonable to get advice from the manufacturer themselves. If they say that their drive is able to withstand defragging, it may also be worth considering their fallibility. Do a Google search for bricked seagate drive I had to assist my son who was one of the victims of their firmware error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winapp2.ini Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The nand cache may not accessible like a drive partition, but who knows. I don't have any experience with the hybrid drives to be honest. winapp2.ini additions thread winapp2.ini github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck21 Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 Very many thanks to everyone who replied to my questions - your help is greatly appreciated! Cannuck21 I am not a technical person so please excuse my lact of 'knowledge' but I have a question. My new PC has a ceramic hard drive (specs shown below) and my IT people have advised me against using CCleaner or the defraggler with this hard drive. Is this correct or a misunderstanding? Many thanks for any advice Cannuck21 Specs Intel Core i3-3220 Dual-Core 3.30GHz 3MB Socket 1155 BOX Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV Intel H61 DDR3 Socket 1155 1PCI-Ex(16x)/1xPCI-Ex/2xPCI with 4xUSB/Video 8GB DDR3-1600 Kit, 2 x 4GB DIMM Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD SATA Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200rpm 64MB SATA LG GH24NS95 24x Dual Layer DVD-RW / DVD+RW Black SATA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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