Alan_B

At 08:28:56 this morning pagefile.sys was initiated after power-up. At 08:29:59 I logged on. At 08:29:52 C:\WINDOWS\system32\CatRoot2\dberr.txt started posting :- CatalogDB: 08:29:52 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 08:29:52 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 08:30:27 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 08:30:28 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 08:34:56 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 08:34:56 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 09:05:05 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 09:05:05 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 09:35:16 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 09:35:16 11/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 There were another 4 lines starting at 10:05:33, and I expect more at 1 hour 28 second intervals. My system has been like this every day since 01/08/2009 What is going wrong ? Is this an error I need to fix ? How can I fix or suppress this ? What is this "File #2" with an error at line #1236 ? Could it be oem43.CAT (which does not exist) or KB972260-IE7.cat which has copies in C:\WINDOWS\$hf_mig$\KB972260-IE7\update and C:\WINDOWS\system32\CatRoot\{F750E6C3-38EE-11D1-85E5-00C04FC295EE} ? The transition from normal to bad is :- CatalogDB: 10:49:57 31/07/2009: Adding Catalog File: oem43.CAT CatalogDB: 10:49:58 31/07/2009: DONE Adding Catalog File: oem43.CAT CatalogDB: 10:51:18 31/07/2009: Adding Catalog File: oem43.CAT CatalogDB: 10:51:19 31/07/2009: DONE Adding Catalog File: oem43.CAT CatalogDB: 10:52:40 31/07/2009: Adding Catalog File: oem43.CAT CatalogDB: 10:52:40 31/07/2009: DONE Adding Catalog File: oem43.CAT CatalogDB: 10:53:07 31/07/2009: Adding Catalog File: KB972260-IE7.cat CatalogDB: 10:53:07 31/07/2009: DONE Adding Catalog File: KB972260-IE7.cat CatalogDB: 21:43:00 01/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 21:43:01 01/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 21:53:24 01/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 21:53:25 01/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 15:15:32 02/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 15:15:32 02/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 19:31:55 02/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 CatalogDB: 19:31:56 02/08/2009: File #2 at line #1236 encountered error 0x00000057 I thought at first the KB972260-IE7.cat was an Active'X kill-bits patch, and it was not only in-effective in its stated purpose but had actually done damage. I have a fear this error is related to Security Patches, and any future patches may fail to take effect or otherwise suffer. On 06/08/2009 I noticed several Application event errors upon 01/08/2009 16:49:12 and started a thread as a result and am awaiting a response at http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=23462 I hoped those errors were a consequence of something going wrong with the hotfix, and hoped that no further errors indicated that "autorecovery" had then automatically cured the problem. I should have known that would be to good to be true. I now realise that there were many reboots between 10:53:07 31/07/2009 and 21:43:00 01/08/2009, and assume that if the patch did damage it should have been autorecovered on the first reboot. The other thing which happened before 21:43:00 01/08/2009 was use of RevoUninstaller to assist with the removal of Eset Antivirus and Comodo Firewall, and to supplement with additional post-un-installation things supplied by ESET and the Comodo forum to zap any residual traces, and there was a residual Comodo registry key that took much abuse before it went. After which I installed Comodo CIS. This incessant error in dberr.txt is the only evidence that something is amiss. I would greatly appreciate advice. Regards Alan

Hi Your link is useless - you forgot to say what web-site you "Home" was, and it wasted my time. I had to go to where I already knew there was help, i.e. http://docs.piriform.com/ccleaner/advanced...les-in-ccleaner You should have copied the address bar (shown above) and not a descriptive title two inches down and not findable with "Search". I agree that the document commences :- "You can use standard Windows environment variables and system variables in CCleaner's INI files." and also includes %userprofile% as one such variable. This IMPLIES that CCleaner.ini will understand %userprofile% - but it never said so. I complained about %userprofile% not being usable - see http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=22968 Nergal confirmed, and also said it does not apply to exclude. CCleaner will understand %userprofile% in a pre-defined Winappi.ini file that shows the default capabilities, and it understands it in Winapp2.ini which will allow me to use "%userprofile%" when defining things to "Include" for deletion, but I am not aware of any way to do any sort of "Exclude" via Winapp2.ini To stipulate in the GUI any folder or file for either inclusion or exclusion requires that it can be seen at that time. I took this as a warning that circumventing the GUI restrictions by directly editing ccleaner.ini might go badly, therefore I tested carefully and my fears were true. Please advise, were you able to stipulate %userprofile% in an exclusion via the GUI, and if so how ? or were you circumventing the GUI restrictions by a direct edit on CCleaner.ini ? I strongly suspect that your "speechexec" stuff was NOT excluded because it did NOT understand %userprofile%, therefore your speechexec should have been deleted. If in fact it is still present but inaccessible then something has altered the ACL or permissions etc., and I do not believe CCleaner would do that. Some files are protected by their originators. My Antivirus and Firewall protection fully protect against deletion or anything else a virus may do to inhibit protection, and it requires special procedures to successfully update / replace / remove / uninstall. Perhaps your speechexec installation objected to CCleaner attempting to zap the files it thought it had hidden in a TEMP location, and it intercepted and blocked all access to that by anything other than itself. NB I believe some viruses are like that - hiding in temporary locations and protecting themselves. Regards Alan

CCleaner is the safest cleaner I know of. Registry cleaning is always hazardous, hence :- 1. Unlike File/Folder cleaning, Registry cleaning can be individually selected one key at a time; 2. By default you are given the option to backup all registry keys before deleting; 3. There has been steadfast refusal by developers to allow registry cleaning under /AUTO control. I always inspect and consider everything (Registry and also file) that CCleaner suggests for removal. I especially pause for thought if any registry issue is found. If I have removed or updated any application I will accept as a "registry issue to fix" anything related to the changed files / folders; otherwise I suspend any action until I determine what went wrong. N.B. Microsoft do the stupidest things. Two years ago I was given a Microsoft "Teach yourself XP" book with CD. I activated a default installation. Some time later my daughter logged in so I could see what CCleaner wanted to do in and from her profile. I was horrified to see that CCleaner was prepared to zap registry keys related to files installed by" Teach Yourself XP". The reason was that those Microsoft Morons had installed their bag of tricks in my profile in such a way that CCleaner (and probably also any other registry cleaner) could NOT see those program files from a different profile, therefore CCleaner decided their junk had been removed and it was time to purge the registry junk. I always hope for the best, but prepare and expect the worst - and Microsoft never disappoints ! ! ! Alan.

Mr. G. I am using v2.20.920, and when I saw Keithuk quote the above I wondered why I had never seen any new results panel. I had to visit http://www.piriform.com/blog to see that your blog 28 July commenced by referring to v.2.22, but half a screen height later an obsolete complete version string was given. Regards Alan

My immediate reaction is that ANYTHING which puts stuff in %userprofile%\local settings\temp\ is declaring "this is temporary junk I do not need to keep but am too lazy to delete - you can zap it" I would be interested in learning of any valid reason for expecting a temp\ folder to be preserved. Please note that CCleaner -> Options -> Include CANNOT recognise %userprofile% Perhaps also for CCleaner -> Options -> Exclude Also please note %userprofile% is recognised by Winapp2.ini Alan

Hazelnut Before this thread started I had recently seen posts with this type of problem, and I thought it could be a forum problem, or a format that requires I.E.7 instead of F.F. - but I prefer to be blind rather than risk the hazards of I.E. and ActiveX ! ! I never intended to blame the poster. I was merely offering advice that alternative format or compression ratio might allow us to see the screenshot. I can now advise that I can easily see post #5 in http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=23313. That includes a screenshot that is a 73% reduction of a [700 x 429] JPG image. Hopefully any reduction on any screen resolution will work with a JPG image. If different people with different browsers have different good / bad experiences, then the problem is not confined to the image held on the servers, but is also somehow affected by the receiving browser. I do not know how the web-site server -> receiving browser -> screen display is going wrong, but I have a large experience of overcoming problems (due to other people's mistakes) in various disciplines. Therefore I have to ask, could the screen capture -> transmitting browser -> web-site server also be implicated ? I only ask the questions. I leave it to the infinitely more experienced I.T. support staff to know what is relevant and to overcome this problem sooooooon ! ! For now, I have seen good results from the above JPG image, and also in post #9 on http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry144009 an imageshack hosted screen shot (also JPG) http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/145/tasksched.jpg Finally, I suggest that any-one who cannot get a JPG image to display from this server, the chances are that if you use imageshack then the CCleaner server only gives the link to your browser (I assume) and therefore your browser will get the image direct from imageshack and all CCleaner server problems will be avoided. Regards Alan

Hi Perhaps this is relevant http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=23224 Otherwise please give main features of your system (Operating System, CCleaner version etc.). Also, I cannot see your screen shot - I only get "Content Encoding Error The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression." If you can take further screen shots with alternative formats (GIF, PNG, JPEG, etc.) and with different compression (e.g. 100% instead of 93%) we may have better luck. Regards Alan

A large number of files, such as 3EC317800FF508210BB945C81C0EACE7.mof have recently appeared in In C:\Windows\system32\wbem\autorecover\ They all have "Modified" time stamps between 01/08/2009 16:48:54 and 01/08/2009 16:49:14. System Event Log shows the event log started at 01/08/2009 16:48:16 after a reboot. The Application Event log shows 4 off ERROR events :- Event Type: Error Event Source: WinMgmt Event Category: None Event ID: 4 Date: 01/08/2009 Time: 16:49:12 with the descriptions :- Failed to load MOF C:\AC30D119A40F2C8C8708A20576\I386\LICWMI.MOF while recovering repository file. Failed to load MOF C:\WINDOWS\MICROSOFT.NET\FRAMEWORK\V1.1.4322\ASPNET.MOF while recovering repository file. Failed to load MOF C:\WINDOWS\MICROSOFT.NET\FRAMEWORK\V2.0.50727\ASPNET.MOF while recovering repository file. Failed to load MOF C:\WINDOWS\MICROSOFT.NET\FRAMEWORK\V3.0\WINDOWS COMMUNICATION FOUNDATION\SERVICEMODEL.MOF while recovering repository file. Incidentally, has Windows lost its mind, I have just checked and I have still got C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.0.3705 C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322 C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727 I most definitely cannot see any C:\WINDOWS\MICROSOFT.NET\FRAMEWORK\V3.0 which was purged last year. Also, both the ASPNET.MOF files exist, but were both last accessed last year, does this indicate they failed to load because there was no attempt to read them ? ? ? ? I have rebooted a few dozen times since then but seen no further errors. Does this mean that "autorecovery" has succeeded and the errors are no longer present, or has .NET FRAMEWORK set a flag to remind itself "This is something else I cannot do" ? The *.MOF files are due to a compiler error according to http://nukz.net/reference/wmi/hh/wmisdk/logs_6yb7.htm and Mofcomp.log should also have been created - but I cannot see it anywhere. I guess I do not see it because it was in C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\ which is purged by CCleaner. If only Mofcomp.log existed I might get a clue upon what was going wrong. Did something bad happen before the reboot, or is this another case of "business as normal" for Windows ! ? ! ? ! From about 01/08/2009 16:00 to 20:00 the phone line was disconnected from the Modem for safety. In that period I used RevoUninstaller to supervise removal of ESET Antivirus and Comodo Firewall, and then installed a complete Comodo Antivirus Firewall product. I suspect something happened during the ESET removal to create all these *.MOF files, but nothing bad happened during the subsequent Firewall removal, and any Mofcomp.log survived many reboots during the subsequent replacement of protection, but only the first reboot encountered those Application Errors. Only after many reboots and apparent normality was CCleaner run again, so Mofcomp.log should have remained till then. Can I safely delete these *.MOF files, or will they get re-created every morning. Regards Alan

I can only think of two explanations for that :- 1. You launched CCleaner and it was left on the screen when you went to bed ; or 2. You have perfectly configured the scheduler to launch CCleaner, and you need not make any changes other than inserting that missing "/". Alan

I recently moved nearly half of C:\ to a separate partition so Acronis takes half the time to create an archive image that is half the size. I have relocated useful things that never change and almost never are needed, like C:\I386. Acronis and Perfect disc know the stuff is no longer on C:\. Everything else seems to be fooled by my use of "Reparse Points" that redirect to the new location. I vigorously tested, used, and abused Reparse Points before I risked anything I might regret. C:\Program Files\Hewlett-Packard = 186 MB was very useful for the initial trials of Reparse Points. Who saw that coming ! ! Regardfs Alan

Hazelnut Ten days ago I needed to make a copy of a legal document received by snail mail. I impatiently waited till yesterday for my shopping trip to Tesco and paid 10 p for a xerox copy. I wanted to scan the image into my P.C. for the facility to convert the image to a searchable text file, but that might have prompted H.P. to demand its installation C.D. to re-install the scanner software. As Meatloaf puts it so well "I will do anything - but I won't do THAT." Regards Alan

Dennis and Hazelnut Thank you both, I will will now try to forget that I am stuck with a few bits of junk I do not need. I am thankful I do not know about all the other redundant stuff that is surplus to requirements, otherwise it would be harder to sleep at night ! !. My daughter bought this P.C. for herself from Dixons about 5 years ago. It came with XP and SP1 pre-installed, and no Windows Installation discs. It was a pre-packaged bundle that included an H.P All in One printer / copier. I guess English is not the "First Language" for all Dixon's customers, so Dixons give everybody everything ! ! Two years later I reached retirement, so my daughter retired from being administrator and sole user, and I became I.T. manager (unsalaried). This P.C. has had an awful lot of experience - a lot of awful experience ! ! I will let this one rest now, Thanks Alan

Dennis Thank you. Last year I searched for a fix and got bogged down in all the technical prose. I gave up and took the easy way out with "CCleaner\Startup". That worked for a few days, but after it was running again, I found that CCleaner still had greyed out my entry "No HKCU:Run ctfmon C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe" but above that in BOLD was "Yes HKCU:Run ctfmon.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe" Thank you for the picture. If only I had seen it last year, so much easier than convoluted instructions upon navigating the Control Panel. And it works ! ! ! That fix removed the entry "Yes HKCU:Run ctfmon.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe" and also the ctfmon.exe process was instantly killed. Sorry, I have a supplementary question about the parent window to the left, i.e. Regional and Language Options". In your picture "Supplemental Language support" has two empty check boxes. On my system there was a check against "Install files for complex script and ..." I unchecked and clicked apply. The end results were :- "Windows setup could not properly install the information for Supplemental Language Support"; and also Removal of 115 files holding 7 MBytes; A few hundred Windows File Protection reports in the System event log. A large addition to the "C:\System Volume Information\" Restore Points. I retried and almost no further files removed, but again "could not properly install", plus monster lists of Windows File Protection etc., I used Safe Mode and logged in as Alan, with no further success (but also no Windows File Protection this time). I used safe mode and logged in as Administrator, and tried again - no difference excepting I noticed in Text Services / Settings :- An American keyboard as an option to the English, and also these buttons were no longer greyed out :- Remove; Properties; Language Bar; Key Settings. I did not know what to do, so I left alone. Reboot as normal and tried again. No significant change excepting there were only 5 off W.F.P. reports. So my Safe Mode efforts paid off I wish Windows setup would remember I needed it to properly UN-install the information, but at least I have purged 7 MBytes and 115 files from Windows Fonts. Any simple suggestions to fix this would be appreciated. Andavari Thank you very much for the Winapp2.ini script. I very recently downloaded the "official" script, was disappointed by the extra 3 seconds that CCleaner took to start, and found I could prune 95% of the script with no reduction upon all the additional applications to clean, and that cut the 3 seconds delay down to 1 second. I have added a small section of my own, and will feel comfortable adding your [*ctfmon.exe] portion. Regards and thanks Alan

Thanks Does "uphclean" delete bad entries in the registry, leaving more spaces for NTREGOPT to remove ? I have put that on the top of my "To Do List" for the near future. But yesterday I suffered great anxiety with the Internet switched off whilst I uninstalled my old anti-virus and firewall protection (separate vendors) with no certainty that I had anticipated and downloaded all the information I would need to cleanly sufficiently eliminate to avoid problems with a clean installation of composite protection by Comodo. I feared I would never see the Internet again ! ! Plan B involved a bus ride to the local library with a flash drive to download additional help. Fortunately this time I had Revouninstaller, and it went much better than I feared. Two years ago I tried to upgrade the Firewall, and had to uninstall the old version first, it took a few weeks because a registry key with 2000 branches had a permissions issue, and Regedit was no help at all - I had to download Registrar Registry Manger before I won. I am now on a one week "shakedown cruise" with my new protection before I get adventurous again ! ! The only shutdown problems that often occur for a few weeks, and then disappear for a while, are when ctfmon has hung and shutdown pauses and gives me the chance to kill ctfmon. I keep on killing the brute - it seems to have several different methods of starting up. I have been thinking the next time it annoys me I will try to delete it - I have never had any benefit from it. Would "uphclean" cure this problem also ? Would "uphclean" prevent a "warning" of a problem that is shown twice in the last 6 months in the event log. I was never aware of any problem at the time - only when I inspected the log to see how unhealthy it was. This is the last such warning. It occurred before I began to use CCLEANER /AUTO /SHUTDOWN :- Event Type: Warning Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1517 Date: 11/07/2009 Time: 14:23:17 User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Computer: ACER-311VPBCEH0 Description: Windows saved user ACER-311VPBCEH0\Alan registry while an application or service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used by the user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be unloaded when it is no longer in use. This is often caused by services running as a user account, try configuring the services to run in either the LocalService or NetworkService account. Regards Alan

That is NOT what you said before. I had the impression you were comparing how old CCleaner was dealing with old cookies some time ago. There was NOTHING in your earlier post to indicate that you were not troubled by a new generation of cookies. Although you do not explicitly state this, I deduce from your latest post that you have now re-tested with the old CCleaner and it removes the cookies. I am more than happy to accept this as evidence that cookie cleaning is now broken. Incidentally I NEVER claimed that CCleaner was not broken, merely that I doubted it - with the implication that further evidence would be appropriate that it was not a cookie technology change. Alan

Thanks Andavari, I will try that. Regards Alan

Thanks for feedback Regards Alan

And those people will NOT love it if they ever need to uninstall those hotfixes. Windows can be very fussy. Alan

Ten times in Sixty the P.C. failed to shutdown. It was successful for 50 out of the first 50 attempts, and cleansed in Auto mode and shutdown the P.C. Then the next 10 attempts failed to shutdown (but I believe they cleansed O.K.) After the first three "I don't believe it" situations I launched Windows Task manager and found All applications closed, and twenty processes running. Normally when all applications are closed there are about 27 processes running, so about seven processes had been killed, another twenty to go. Observing the Processes Tab I again launched "CCleaner /Auto /Shutdown", and saw that CCleaner.exe briefly appeared as a running process. I launched Task Manager again and everything repeated the same. All (or most of) the Desktop icons appeared to remain unflinching during these failed attempts to Auto Shutdown. I eventually tired of this repeatable failure, so I used Windows -> "Turn off Computer", which worked first time, and I went to bed. I regret due to panic I only counted how many processes were running, I did record which they were, so I cannot identify the seven that were missing. Since then I have had zero failures in ten attempts at "CCleaner /Auto /Shutdown". MY QUESTIONS :- 1. Is it probable that the first failed Shutdown killed seven processes, but left everything else running, and the remaining twenty processes were enough to launch CCleaner, but the absence of seven caused CCleaner to crash whilst cleansing before it proceeded to launching Shutdown. 2. I have a special "Shutdown" script which concludes with "START CCLEANER /AUTO /SHUTDOWN", I envisage replacing with "CCLEANER /AUTO" followed by a DOS CMD invoked Powerdown command; Please advise me of a suitable command that will ensure a Powerdown - not a mere user log-off. 3. Does "CCLEANER /AUTO /SHUTDOWN" conclude by launching the same actions as are launched by Windows -> "Turn off Computer". For 2 years I always closed down with Windows -> "Turn off Computer" - I guess it only failed twice in 1000 attempts, and when it failed it was a Windows "Belly Up - Dead" situation - dead screen, dead keys, dead mouse; and all I could do was hold down the Power button for 5 seconds to shut off my Laptop. In 1000 attempts I never ever had a failure that left the desktop alive and well but unable to shutdown. Windows -> "Turn off Computer" has a 0.2 % failure rate when the O.S. freezes "CCleaner /SHUTDOWN" has a 2.0% failure rate with the O.S. quite responsive, but 7 processes down and unwilling to close. This makes me suspect that there are different actions used by these two methods of shutdown. I have a residual concern that on rare occasions Firefox may still be running upon shutdown, and whilst I think it likely that Addons such as LastPass and Xmarks, and on-line-browser services such as Gmail and Google documents, will be designed to tolerate Firefox closing just when a "cloud" transfer had started, either by the computer being powered down or the telephone wire to the I.S.P breaking, I fear that they may not have anticipated that CCleaner could do a shutdown. I do not mind if I have just altered something on/in Firefox, and the consequences have yet to be updated to remote databases, but I would hate to lose all my passwords or bookmarks or emails because of a "different" close down action that was not anticipated. After 20 years programming in "C" I expect horrendous consequences when anything deviates from "standard". I am using :- CCleaner v2.20.920, and suspect this problem could apply to all versions; XP Home SP3; ESET NOD32 Antivirus; and Comodo 3.5 Firewall. Incidentally - completely unrelated to the above bug, but possibly in the same area of code :- If Firefox.exe is present as an application or a process when CCleaner /Auto /Shutdown is launched, it would be nice if it (Firefox) could be closed before cleansing so that its cache could be purged Regards Alan

Maybe yes, maybe no. Second result from Google Search "Weather Pulse" was http://tropicdesigns.net/ which states :- "Weather Pulse 2.10 Build 12 - FREE IMPORTANT: This version fixes the XOAP error and other Weather Pulse crashes after Weather.com broke our software. Only Weather Pulse 2.10 Build 10 and Weather Pulse 2.10 Build 11 can install this update right over your existing Weather Pulse installation. All previous versions of Weather Pulse should be uninstalled before running this setup!" If you still think CCleaner is at fault you MUST post full details of :- version/build of Weather Pulse; and your Operating System, Service Packs, etc., Also the specific version of CCleaner you downloaded yesterday. Alan

There are many files, including *.exe and *.dll, which upon deletion will be intercepted by System Restore and moved into a Restore Point archive. If it WAS a compressed file it may become uncompressed upon relocation, taking more space. Alan

This works for me, targeting different (not common) folders :- [*UserProfile]LangSecRef=3024DetectFile=%USERPROFILE%Default=FalseFileKey1=%APPDATA%\Macromedia\Flash Player\|*.*|RECURSEFileKey2=%USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp\|*.*|RECURSE Alan

I could be wrong, but I would not expect System Restore to have the ability to re-instate SP3 after you uninstalled it, hence you cannot go back to a previous date, and therefore the calender will not offer you any dates. There are simple procedures to re-instate System Restore, but ERUNT is no applicable in this case. It is probable that the System Restore calender information is held in the registry, therefore restoring the pre-removal ERUNT backup to the registry may repopulate the calendar, but I am sure that if you attempt to restore you will either get an error message or a BSOD. WARNING Most applications will add stuff into the registry when they are installed, and when they are un-installed they may attempt to take it out again, give or take a bit. Things are never quite the same after an application has been installed and then uninstalled, which is why I far prefer when testing an application to have Acronis make a Disc image before, and if I do not like the application I do not bother to uninstall - instead Acronis restores the image. I believe Patch Tuesday updates also affect the registry, and SP3 doubly so. Uninstalling SP3 removed/changed a lot of registry keys and values. Uninstalling SP3 immediately after installing has a fair chance of putting it back fairly well given a bit of luck. Uninstalling SP3 some time after significant use of a system with SP3 is likely to be less accurate. Any installation of any applications and security patches with SP3 present will affect the registry, probably altering some keys and values that have been added to or altered by SP3. Uninstalling SP3 will cause collateral damage if it removes what other recent stuff shares. The collateral damage may have badly affected the registry and the files and folders. I can believe that some aspects of the computer operation were crippled by the registry, and restoring the ERUNT backup could have cured them, BUT it will have caused the registry to aim for DLLs and things that are now removed. I have seen conflicting advice upon whether such a system will dive in a black hole, or suffer sporadic/startup slowdown, or merely perform as standard. I STRONGLY recommend that you do NOT fix registry issues without getting expert advice, but please do a Registry Scan for issues. I had many thousands of "Missing Shared DLLs" after I removed .NET Framework 2, and a few dozen remained after re-installing - so I cured by restoring the Acronis image made before this escapade. I suggest that you COUNT the "Missing Shared DLLs" only, with the 12 other "Registry Integrity" issues unchecked, and then repeat for each of the other 12 issues one at a time. Then post the results - you will probably then get expert advice upon :- possible problems that are pending unless you take corrective action ; recommendations upon appropriate fixes (hopefully not a re-install of Windows itself). Do not look to me for expert advice on this. My specialist subject is Murphy's Law. Regards Alan

Twice they gave me the bonus of a Silverlight EULA ! ! Last year I became exasperated by the extra 100 MB or so being dumped in ...\Download and left there for 3 weeks after a Patch Tuesday. I did not understand why they left it there when it had done its job, and have no clue on the mysterious inner workings of Windows that came back to complete the job just before the next Patch Tuesday. Even more exasperating was another 100 Mb of ancient updates that came from 1 and also 2 years earlier. I think I posted a query here, with no success. I Googled and found similar advice to what you found. I then included this in CCleaner targets and now feel the system is not so cluttered and dirty. That has worked beautifully ever since. Patch Updates still happen, but the next time I use CCleaner the junk goes. When I read http://windowssecrets.com/comp/090625 I realised that running CCleaner before I shut down would remove the updates before they could be installed, so this last month I have investigated the /AUTO /SHUTDOWN facility, and created and been testing the command script to support my additional manual cleansing to deeper depths. I now find that when my daughter runs CCleaner, the Windows system files are outside her control, but I expect to fix that with CACLS. Otherwise it meets all my targets. Regards Alan

iTrenAr If you do not even know the first letter of the name, how would search assist you ? RipIxi That makes no sense to me. Use of the first letter of the program name in no way requires ADDITIONAL knowledge of a company's name. I will accept that the ability to search for the company name (totally disregarding program name) could be useful for some-one who only knows the creator of the software. How about a optional search for a download site. Would you also like a search on date installed, date last used, etc. Were extra search options added, CCleaner would be competing head-on with Control Panel Add/Remove, and would take far more time to do so. Alan