Saintj

So your point is that 35-pass guttmann is recoverable now a days? Wich one is not recoverable by any intelligence agency? Because in my oppinion even if it uses all sorts of encoding technologie from back to 30+yo MFM methods to technologies up to 1996 in 35 different passes it's still unrecoverable by anyone. If it's not the option to even do a guttmann wipe is pure bogus.

True, but even then they don't stand much of a chance with Guttmann while they do with NSA or whatever (Unless you used like 20 rounds of NSA wiping in Dban that is), but anyways, my point is if you can buy milk that tastes bad, milk that tastes good and milk that tastes freaking awesome, they all cost exactly the same but the delivery is instant with the bad one, takes an hour with the good one and 2 hours for the freaking awesome one wich one would you buy? Would you settle for good because you can't wait the extra hour? I'd rather wait for the freaking awesome one then settle for less (this is a metafor btw lol), that's why I use Guttmann, it's there so why the hell not

True, but Guttmann is by far the best wiping methode, it gets overwritten so many times and then made static, it's surely not recoverable and if you see what kind of wipes the goverment uses with REALLY valuable information that just makes me laugh all because they are lazy and it has to be done rapidly, the basic wipe the department of defence does for instance could be recovered by sayed intelligence agencies meaning other countries intelligence agencies could do the same and that's valueable info for your country lol. But anyways i'm sticking with Guttmann, why do with less ifthe best takes so little more time. lol well if they find a well wiped ddisk they'll definatly waste the money on something like that because they just had do know what was on it why do you think anti-guttmann researches are being done like the one above, it's the same as those researches about arteficial sweetners giving you cancer and the Swineflue vaccin paralyzing you and even worse, all real scriptures written by real doctors who get money from i have no idea who to scary the public.. as for guttmann they try to throw you off of it cuz it's not recoverable and well they don't like that to much lmao

Intresting reading material, you can see it from a different perspective though, he might have been ahead of his time, the microscopes might not be able to read the overwritten data YET but since 1996 there have been many improvements and eventually they will be able to read something erased the NSA way etc.. Next to that the intelligence agencies claim not to be able to read anything overwritten once but they do advice their from there goverment to use a wipe their disks with atleast 6 passes, does bring up some question marks, but then again if you create say a secret sauce would you give the ingredients? Even to paper produced about it by the goverment. I think their technologie is far more advanced then written in this research, next to that there kind of bringing down the guttmann wipe methode while if you use it its overwritten multiple times and then makes it static (as were a magnet was put on it), also dban is discussed wich i've used for many years and I only have great experiences with it, if you guttmann wipe it it's completely clean and unrecoverable by any intelligence agency. (btw i just woke up wen i read it so i'll read it again later) Thanks for the link, hope they'll eventually add them to the program aswell instead of having to do it manually (the list is still not complete for me though still missing some programs.

I have to disagree with you slightly there, I've been able to recover up to NSA with some advanced tools via a linux based disk recover, for some reason it was able to decorrupt the files and (it wasen't much but) it did recover some files wiped the NSA way, that's why I use Guttmann because I was never able to recover ANYTHING, it doesen't take that long and even if it does it runs in the background anyways so that's not much a bother for me to be honest, and just a heads up the "there once was" means that while they coulden't recover the data they have been creating and improving apps TO de-encrypt de-corrupt etc. etc. i think the 0 challenge can easially be done now a days. Next to that I work with sensetive data for my work so the more passes the marrier, overkill is a good thing at that point (if you noticed the news there was a guy working for defence in idk wich country anymore that did a 1 pass wipe of the harddrive and just put the comp by the street for the garbage to pick it up, a 15 yo wiz kid recovered EVERYTHING from the drive and all the plans etc, were made public, thats another reason why I let my users guttmann everything and before they are discarded I Dban the disks with a full Guttmann wipe) . As for the wipe free space, I know what it does and I use it from time to time (usually only wen I can find a way to recover stuff that was deleted) and make a new system restore point afterwards (only use it wen my system is in good shape wich it pretty much always is). As for the registry deletion, I have seen significant preformance improvements by keeping it clean, I had a old computer (was running for more then 6 years) and it had about 13000 invalid reg keys, it boosted the startup, search speed etc. etc. plus the registry defragger in for example WinAso has some noticeable stability and speed improvements so, everybody has his own oppinion ofcourse but this is mine. Links not working that's one, second is I use multiple systems (and OS's for that matter) and everything has different file paths (even windows 7 and Vista differ with filepaths) so it's hard to post really and alot of work finding every single file, it's mostlikely easier for the devs to install it in a Virtual machine or some and see were it stores the data in each of the OS's. I seriously don't have the time for it i'm currently in dev with more then 2 projects and my normal job so that pretty much takes up all of my time. But like i sayed the path's arent that hard to get so i'm sure the dev's will be able to get them if they spend a little amount of time on instant messenger support.

Hey, and thanks, glad to be on board 1. Shift delete just wants me to delete the directory like it always does, what i want is to Guttman wipe or NSA or whatever it, if you take fileshredder as an example it just has the simple right click and it erases it with the programmed algorithms in fileshredder (wich I think is NSA at it's best), I want that for CCleaner aswell just right click it and next to delete (like on you recycle bin) a delete with CCleaner so it'll use the algorithm you selected in CCleaner. 2. What I want it to clean is *clears throat*: Chatlogs, cache, session history, login/password, stored received files (if not exluded), login history (server you connected to blablabla just basicly everything you did after opening the program) 3&5. Now a days you can't screw up to much on your system reg if you follow the right protocols, next to that CCleaner always asks you for a backup (wich WinAso automaticly makes), there are tons of things that can be deleted without any problem, especially from the privacy cleaner part (The ISS logs, the DirectDraw and DirectInput history, that's all just stored data with no purpose) as for the reg cleaner, like i sayed there is still lots of stuff it can delete, if it finds program data while the program is gone from all the stored key directories its worthless and can be deleted, corrupt and not used ActiveX can always be deleted since it's bogus in the first place, COM stuff might be harder but that's why the backup is there, and next to that even if it's in "safe mode" out of safety for users that put a big question mark by saying the word "regedit" there could still be an advanced user scan wich does pick up all the corrupt and junk data wich (I assume you are aswell) advanced OS users can delete automaticly and just say yes or no to things we know can or can't be deleted (if a program like WinAso (registry cleaning for idiots) can do it so can CCleaner, right? ). 4. XBMC is a media center (like windows media center but then it actually works lol), it's a project that was used for Xboxes (hence the XBMC, XBox Media Center) but it has sayed farewell to the xbox and is now a full blown windows/linux/mac project) wich saves crashlogs (wich are useless unless you want to submit them) and other logs that are like every log, useless unless you want to do something with it. Navi-X is a plugin for XBMC, it scrapes and processes all known video sites (like Videofriender and Megavideo and Youtube and blablabla) puts them in neat lists and lets the user enjoy free legal movies with subtitle options etc. etc. but it does save cache because it scrapes sites, connects to RTMP streams etc. and thus leaves junk behind wich swallows up space, it would be great if someone would look into it and see if they could add that aswell (and for those who didn't know what it was, like you, try it, trust me its awesome haha). Well that's all folks, Thanks in advance.

Hey everybody well first of all thanks for the great product, Guttman wipe right in your windows enviroment makes heidi eraser look like a kids toy Anyways some suggestions: 1: Right-click on folder, delete with CCleaner, why? Because windows has a limited amount of storage in it's recycle bin, sometimes i delete files of 9 GB and the bin only supports about 3,67 (or something like that, differs by Harddisk size but that's what i get) and it would be nice for CCleaner to just automaticly delete it in parts so it doesen't leave junk behind, now I just run MFT free space cleaner every now and then but it takes a hell of a long time so it would be a great addition (Fileshredder has it so CCleaner must be able to add it aswell right? ) 2: Adding more support for instant messengers like Yahoo, MSN, AOL, ICQ etc. etc., I manually selected the directories now but it would be nice if it gets auto recognized and EVERYTHING is cleaned, human error could forget a directory as we all know. 3: Running WinAso Registry Optimizer's "privacy cleaner" it always pops up some stuff left behind by CCleaner(I have pretty much everything selected but MFT cleaner, just use that from time to time), for example: "startmenu and desktop", it finds start menu history and document history left behind, "Windows System", a few logs always stay behind, it's not alot usually about 2 or 3 and sometimes a couple of ISS logs. "Recent activities", it always leaves behind DirectDraw history and DirectInput history. Some internet explorer temps are not deleted. 4. Would be nice to have XBMC support aswell, cleaning its debug logs and crash logs (as a side note to that all the cache it gets from plugins like Navi-x etc.). 5. The Reg cleaner is far far far from perfect no offence it finds enough but again if i run WinAso's Regcleaner while CCleaner says the reg's clean it finds: "add/removed program errors", "Deep reg errors", lots and lots of invalid "ActiveX" and invalid "filepaths" so just a heads up it would be awesome if that could be improved aswell Anyways that's all for me now, long list but I hope it's helpfull for improving this already great program, Well thanks in advance.