Donald E. Smith
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Hadn't prior as this kind of stuff is taken on as housecleaning after uninstall. But did anyway again just in case, with no leftover results anywhere. This why I started with the registry. Then went through an older embedded Winapps.ini for CCleaner just to see if Agnitum or Outpost Firewall Pro was in there? Nope. But hummm... there is a CCleaner super extender, CCEnhancer I stopped using long ago, with many more apps included I could check too. Thanks for reminding me about that!
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Hi,
Speccy indicates the Agnitum Outpost Firewall Pro 4.0 is still installed on my old XP desktop after being removed years ago. I've searched the registry and removed numerous leftover pieces/junk referring to Agnitum and Outpost Firewall Pro none of which is apparently the Key (pun intended) Speccy uses to extract this data.
Anybody have a clue where it gets this info?
Thanks: DES
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If it's any consolation, upgrading to 1.21.491 Freebie just now did the same thing to me. Reading your post here and rebooting got rid of the red "Service marked for deletion" message and displayed my normal SyncMaster (1680x1050@60Hz) & 256MB GeForce 8600 GT (ECGA) with temperature lines (at least for now). Go figure, I'd about though this old XP gear had been written off or such? No such problems on 2 newer Windows7 laptops, one with integrated graphics and one with dedicated graphics.
DES
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1) In both XP and 2 Windows 7 machines, Benchmarking drives, both SATA main and USB connected clones, returns very unrealistically low results after defraging. If Defraggler is restared and the drives reanalyzed then realistic results result.
2) In XP the SATA connected clone keeps showing all the unused disk space between the main used area and any used space further out as MFT reserved? This can go away after an upgrade but then will return with use? It doesn't affect the drive, which will boot and operate normally. It's just annoying as unexplained\weird.
Thanks: DES
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Or perhaps use an install tracking program when you install stuff such as ZSoft Uninstaller or Total Uninstaller and or a program that gives a more thorough uninstall without tracking the initial install such as Revo Uninstaller.
I actually use Total uninstall AND Revo. I track the install with Total Uninstall then when uninstalling use Revo followed by Total Uninstall.
(PS I'm not suggesting Total Uninstall is a better tracker than Zsoft, I actually suspect it isn't, it's just what I'm used to using and have so many installs already tracked with it I couldn't get rid of Total Uninstall now anyway)
Hummm, I actually have Revo (and the ZSoft Uninstaller) installed here on this XP machine but just haven't got in the habit of using it. It sounded like scanning the entire drive for changes was going to be larger than the left overs? I'm trying to follow a "don't put anything on you ain't gonna keep" philosophy. But that's impossible, as along comes CCleaner, and now I'm looking at all the other Piriform stuff for Windows 7 (can't see what that built-in defragger is doing). But the old manual hunt & peck cleanup method can't be too bad. Having just retired an 11 year old W98 machine still running the original Dell installation. Only because too may core apps were dead ended on old versions (and... it was pretty damn slow, relatively speaking)!
DES
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You simply had to remove the key CCleaner uses to detect Google toolbar is installed:
HKCU\Software\Google\NavClient\1.1
This is not a fault of CCleaner but of the toolbar for not uninstalling fully and does happen with some programs.
For future reference the easiest way to find this out is to download the embedded ini files from this thread which is updated with the current ini files with each CCleaner update. You can then find the code used for the program you are after and it will list the detect key.
And Thanks, this is exactly the sort of thing I was after (and implied) here:
http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=26792
But apparently didn't get the message across?
It was obvious these toolbar list entries are detected from a registry entry, just which, when removing the actual \Google\Toolbar\ key didn't get it and other Google stuff was installed. I had to find it by trial and error! I'll get a hold of these embedded .ini's for future reference.
DES
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You can follow the run-a-round given when reporting this as a bug, if you like to waste your time?
Otherwise, CCleaner determines to add the Google Toolbar to it's Applications\Internet list from detecting the presents of this registry key:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\NavClient]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\NavClient\1.1]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\NavClient\1.1\Options]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\NavClient\1.1\Options\CustomSearch]
"HKCU_GoogleEarth"=dword:00000001
The removal of which removes the Google Toolbar from the list. An empty key HKLM\Software\Google\NavClient\ was present as well, this most probably being added by the installation of CCleaner? As no other Google apps are installed on a computer that contained this key after installing CCleaner. It's removal prior to the HKCU key had no affect on the list. (Or the starting of Google Earth which is installed on that computer.)
For what it's worth.
DES
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Maybe you are just not looking deep enough. What you can do is open CCleaner, make sure you have the Yahoo or that Google category checked in the cleaning module and click Analyze. If the Yahoo or Google appears on the list, double click at them from the list and that should give you the destination folders where those data are kept and from there you can see the Yahoo or Goggle folders.
I suggested that you open Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer, go to View near the top of the screen, then Toolbars and see if any toolbars are still there that are not shown or enabled.
Here I got a screenshot...from this link
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp80/Bi...ng?t=1266040804
I opened both browsers present, FF & IE7, and there are no Google Toolbar(s) (or any other unknown items) present.
Didn't know about that ability to show the files to be cleaned, that's great (I said CCleaner was a Good App). But there are no Google Toolbar files to be cleaned (because the Google Toolbar is Not installed). An Empty registry entry for it was Deleted previously.
As to not looking deep enough... searching the entire registry, there are 945 hits (keys, values, and data) for "Google". Two of them contain "Google Toolbar":
HKEY_CURRENT_USER
Software\Piriform\CCleaner(App)Google Toolbar
HKEY_USERS
S-1-5-21-796845957-1993962763-725345543-1003\Software\Piriform\CCleaner(App)Google Toolbar
The second is of course only present when CCleaner is Open. If the first is Deleted, CCleaner restore it next time it's Opened. Either there's some Secret Baloney going on (IE & Adobe both are guilty of this), or CCleaner is Assuming the Google Toolbar exists based on the presents of the main \Software\Google\ keys. This isn't worth the trouble, just admit the program simply infers the presents of the Google Toolbar from the wrong registry key!
DES
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Well did you open all the Internet browsers in your computer and see if any toolbars were installed in any one of those??
I suspect that if the toolbars do not exist, they have somehow been installed in the past and improperly removed so besides the registry entries they have left behind, there could be remnant folders somewhere is these locations:
C:\ProgramData
C:\Users\name\AppData
Windows 7 locations, note "Applied to this Very Old installation" (Windows XP SP3 actually, but dating back to 2002).
C:\Program Files
Try looking for something that says Yahoo or Yahoo Toolbar in those folders plus the folders that are in those locations and if you see any that says Yahoo or Yahoo toolbar, delete them and run CCleaner's registry fixer tool.
I'd think that having already demonstrated removing the "Yahoo Toolbar" reference from the CCleaner lists by deleting the noted Yahoo registry keys, it would be obvious how CCleaner recognizes Apps for said lists? And perhaps given credit for the much more Obvious?
Also, you can open your browser and go to View, then Toolbars and see if any third party toolbars are installed but not enabled or shown.
Ah, like the recomended method for "Uninstalling" the Google Toolbar?
If Google Earth is still installed, I wouldn't be surprised why Google will still appear on the CCleaner's cleaning module. It may be because CCleaner wants to delete log files or any temporary data that has anything to do with Google Earth.
And Google Earth does indeed appear in the Application\Applications list, not Applications\Internet, two separate categories.
But none of this address exactly how CCleaner recognizes items for it's cleaning lists, except perhaps my noting that removing all \Software\Yahoo\ keys removed the Yahoo Toolbar reference?
DES
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This is hardly a bug, more of a detail, but being a stickler for details... The Google and Yahoo Toolbars appeared in CCleaner's Applications\Internet\ list. Neither are installed (granted they may have been accidentally and removed at one time). I've gotten rid of a couple other indicated but uninstalled apps by tracking down and removing some left over registry keys. And Removing the entire Yahoo key (as there are no Yahoo apps installed) from HKLM\Software\ and HKCU\Software\ for which there were sub keys indicating a Yahoo Toolbar (but with no installation path), indeed got rid of that entry in CCleaner. And the Google Toolbar key is under Google, catch being since Google Earth is installed the entire Google key can't be deleted. Obviously CCleaner infers the Google Toolbar is installed because there exists a Google Key (as the actual Google Toolbar key is definitely gone now)? I know, the entry can be simply unchecked (and there's nothing to clean anyway). It just bugged me I couldn't get rid of this erroneous entry!
But what a damn fine application. First registry cleaner I've ever used that didn't make serious mistakes. Applied to this Very Old installation, apparently the 1 GB of memory wasn't quite enough to initially hold all the Installer Issues alone without killing every process possible first! But they're gone now.
Thanks a Lot: DES
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I posted this question over on the Agnitum Outpost Firewall Pro forum and was pointed to a cleanup utility they have (Clean.exe) for removing installations in addition to using the WIndows Add/Remove Programs. It needs to be run from Safe Mode, but got rid of whatever hidden entries where ever they may be. I certainly couldn't find it. Speccy now indicates the Windows firewall is Enabled as in fact.
DES