Hi,
the question has already been posted inside the forum maybe not in suggestions.
Running CCleaner as a service could be useful to clean all users datas instead doing this session by session.
Thanks,
Vincent
As you are aware this has been asked and answered dozens of times.
Consensus says that this is not a viable thing (to clean all users). also running as a service would cause CCleaner to clean "system user"
Consensus says that this is not a viable thing (to clean all users). also running as a service would cause CCleaner to clean "system user"
=> You can retrieve all local users using netapi32.dll with functions like NetUserEnum() in C++
=> Then browse all folders ?:\document and settings\<user>
So why is this not viable ?
Consensus says that this is not a viable thing (to clean all users). also running as a service would cause CCleaner to clean "system user"
=> You can retrieve all local users using netapi32.dll with functions like NetUserEnum() in C++
=> Then browse all folders ?:\document and settings\<user>
So why is this not viable ?
I like your idea, but how would it be possible to clean password protected user accounts?
I like your idea, but how would it be possible to clean password protected user accounts?
LOL.
A password protected account it not enough to disable access to its personal folder. ;p
If current user has admin rights, it can access to every folder by default.
Who has specified Private Datas for each account (since Windows XP) ?
A Service has all rights too to access everywhere on the hard drive so it's not a problem.
^^
LOL.
A password protected account it not enough to disable access to its personal folder. ;p
If current user has admin rights, it can access to every folder by default.
Who has specified Private Datas for each account (since Windows XP)?
A Service has all rights too to access everywhere on the hard drive so it's not a problem.
^^
If this is possible, it would certainly be cool.
To those who decry this action because of "a user might gasp & have a heart attack if things they expected to be there weren't!", I think they could add a prompt to CCleaner where if a user was sure (they own the computer, they have say over what goes on, etc.), then I see no problem with this.
I do hate when users have a lot of user accounts, then you have to clean each of them in order to defrag properly or do other tasks (some users have several gigs of internet or temp file trash, leading to performance degradation & longer defrag/program load times.
I would certainly love a multi-user account cleanup on CCleaner. It seems technically possible, as using relative paths such as %programfiles%, %appdata%, %tmp%, etc, would easily enough be able to find the user account data. As I recall, there are switches using relative paths that work for other accounts.
It will be interesting to see if they can do this.
Not viable because of the troubles it would cause.
e.g. "My dad ran ccleaner on our computer and deleted a bunch of stuff I still needed" or "Because IT ran ccleaner on my computer, I can no longer access google apps which has my presentation which is due on monday"
if you really need to clean someone else's account enable allow secondary login and right click>runas
this is discussed an multitude of times on this forum
SMH
Not viable because of the troubles it would cause.
e.g. "My dad ran ccleaner on our computer and deleted a bunch of stuff I still needed" or "Because IT ran ccleaner on my computer, I can no longer access google apps which has my presentation which is due on monday"
if you really need to clean someone else's account enable allow secondary login and right click>runas
this is discussed an multitude of times on this forum
SMH
I understand the concept you are promoting, but I don't see how that example could possibly be valid. As far as I know, Google Apps is all stored online, on Google Servers. All that you have to have is an internet connection. So you are saying that cleaning the temporary internet files could somehow destroy Google Apps?
Unlikely, since they are stored on Google servers, not yours! How could clearing internet trash accumulation affect Google Apps?
Thanks!
I agree with 'Mr Don'.
BTW, as all MSP, we're making choices for maintenance reasons so this case :
"My dad ran ccleaner on our computer and deleted a bunch of stuff I still needed"
won't arrive because 99.9% of managed computers are single user (but each user as its own login/password).
The only way to clean all in one click is to use network agents which run as SYSTEM.
It has been discussed hundred of times but maybe with wrong arguments ;p
I agree with Nergal.
Even if the presentation is held safe on Google Apps :-
1) the non-expert user will still complain that his work is lost because he has no access by the usual single click, and he has no clue on how to get access;
2) there could be other non Google Apps that do not hold work on remote servers;
3) CCleaner is able to remove files that the user wants to retain,
and if the superior administrator who knows everything should launch CCleaner,
and if he takes out something the user needs, there will be repercussions,
especially if the inferior user happens to be the Managing Director ! !
Alan
Even if the presentation is held safe on Google Apps :-
1) the non-expert user will still complain that his work is lost because he has no access by the usual single click, and he has no clue on how to get access;
2) there could be other non Google Apps that do not hold work on remote servers;
3) CCleaner is able to remove files that the user wants to retain,
and if the superior administrator who knows everything should launch CCleaner,
and if he takes out something the user needs, there will be repercussions,
especially if the inferior user happens to be the Managing Director ! !
Running as a service, CCleaner would have the ability to read ? and respect ? each individual user's CCleaner settings from the registry or .INI file. Thus it wouldn't remove anything from any profile that the corresponding user wouldn't delete by using CCleaner in interactive mode. And if a particular profile had never previously used CCleaner, then the default settings could be used instead of the aministrator profile's.
Also, you appear to assume that multiple-profile computers are used in a professional environment. In my long (40+ years) experience, professional computers have at most only two local profiles defined: one local administrator and one "work" user (which may or may not belong to a domain). Any multiple-profile professional computers would use roaming profiles. The only computers I've seen with multiple local profiles are family computers.
I suspect your experience may be limited.
Some years ago the latest "improvement" feature was Hot Desking,
where a single desk is kept hot by multiple users,
each user in the office on a part time basis, and otherwise possibly full time at home.
I believe each user could carry their own laptop with them,
but some users probably need a far less affordable computer,
so I am sure (even though I have no experience of this) that multiple profiles can and do exist on a corporate computer.
As a degree qualified professional design engineer I had the support of management when I violated I.T. policy and killed their Panda antivirus protection because it was crippling my work flow.
I think if I.T. had damaged my system by a blind registry clean I would have been supported in blocking I.T. from remote control.
I frequently use CC to clean junk files.
I occasionally look at the registry to satisfy myself it is still clean.
If the registry is dirty I want to know WHY in case something is broken.
If something is broken, before I clean the registry I decide if it would be better to MEND that application etc.
Before I remove an application I examine the registry and ensure it is up to standard,
then I fully remove the application (with Revouninstaller assistance).
Then I look at the registry again.
and every item which is found I consider and inspect,
and if I decide that it was needed by the application I just removed,
and if CC recommends deleting the key because "These are often left behind after uninstalling software."
Then it goes - and if I am unsure then I Google until I am sure.
I have every box checked for registry cleaning.
I DO NOT WANT THOSE ITEMS CLEANING BY SOME I.T. IDIOT that does not know WHY I have an interest in such items.
Alan
@Alan_B : Maybe you're a bit frustrated in your environment ;p
We're not here to show our CV and how many certification we have...
Cleaning all %TEMP% at logoff is not a stupid idea. We all have our policies and security parameters. Configuration file are here just for these reasons.
So If you don't think this feature should be useful for you, don't use it and let those who need it just use it.
++
Vincent
@Alan_B:
For one thing, using the registry cleaning function of CCleaner isn't something I'd do. Not that I don't trust CCleaner, but cleaning the registry is something that'll gain you a few hundred bytes at most, and this is not Win9x/ME anymore If you want to optimize your registry, use NTREGOPT instead.
For another, corporate policies are there for a purpose. If you feel you have a good reason they shouldn't apply to you, you need to explain your needs to the I.T. dept., not bypass their safeguards. Did I mention I used to be I.T. manager for the French subsidiary of a big software company (not Microsoft)?
the Google apps example (which BTW is something we have encountered here at the forum) was an example of a cookie being removed.
again, I laid out the reasons (which I agree with) that the majority of those who frequent this forum regularly and read most if not all of the posted questions, have come to when discussing and thinking about this issue. the Original poster stated they had read this asked many times.
Secondly, Running CCleaner, as it is now, as a service (i.e. making it a service via a third party exe-->Service program) ends up cleaning the Local Service account.
In order for cleaner to even begin to do this thing (if it were decided that it were a good idea, which I, advanced forum members and the developers have maintained that it is not) CCleaner would require a major overhaul in the manner that it works. Please look through the Embedded ini attached to the sticky at the top of the CCleaner discussion forum and note that mostly CCleaner is looking at either items in the user's %appdata% folder or keys in the HKCurrentUser branch.
If you really want your computer's users to have no control over cleaning do the following
Install CCleaner with the option to save the options in the ini file. place the CCleaner.ini file in the c:\program files\CCleaner\ folder and place a shortcut to CCleaner.exe -auto in the all users start up folder.
But honestly I'm not going to answer anyone's query on "my computer ran CCleaner without me telling to and now my {insert removed file} is gone"
So,
why the slim version is very very silent (no shortcut) ? Isn't for MSP to do background jobs ?
@Alan_B : Maybe you're a bit frustrated in your environment ;p
We're not here to show our CV and how many certification we have...
Cleaning all %TEMP% at logoff is not a stupid idea.
Vincent
You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.
1) I am now retired and not frustrated,
2) I enjoyed my work before I retired, and was not frustrated,
3) You are so VERY WRONG, I merely indicated that I have skills and qualifications that are in the same league as PierreS who claimed 40 years experience,
4) The reason we SHOULD be here is to read and UNDERSTAND the posts we wish to respond to. This you totally failed to do. Nobody brought up %TEMP% before you did. Nobody said stupid before you. Why are you telling me about cleaning %TEMP% at logoff ? Only when I have approved M.$. security patches do I shut down in the standard fashion so that the patches can be installed and rebooted etc. according to M.$ wims and fancies, otherwise I ALWAYS launch CC in /AUTO /SHUTDOWN mode so that much more than %TEMP% is purged,
So If you don't think this feature should be useful for you, don't use it and let those who need it just use it.
5) You have to be joking. You have asked for the facility that would enable some other person to clean my profile, even though Windows has denied them permission to even see the contents of my profile, and NOW you tell me that I can prevent them from zapping what they cannot see ! !
Alan
@Alan_B:
For one thing, using the registry cleaning function of CCleaner isn't something I'd do. Not that I don't trust CCleaner, but cleaning the registry is something that'll gain you a few hundred bytes at most, and this is not Win9x/ME anymore
If you want to optimize your registry, use NTREGOPT instead.
For another, corporate policies are there for a purpose. If you feel you have a good reason they shouldn't apply to you, you need to explain your needs to the I.T. dept., not bypass their safeguards. Did I mention I used to be I.T. manager for the French subsidiary of a big software company (not Microsoft)?
I use ERUNT to create a backup every morning, and I may use NTREGOPT perhaps once or twice a year.
I do not expect that deleting old keys gives even a 1 byte improvement to free space on the HDD, but will create more empty space in the registry hives and this translates into more HDD free space when NTREGOPT is run
Sorry you fail to understand my motivation. Let me spell it out for you.
When I uninstall an application I want it to go away, every wretched bit of it.
I do not want its remnants cluttering up my HDD and wasting my free space.
I do not want to have start-up delays as the computer tries to launch executables that are not present.
I do not want missing dll events in the system event logs burying any problems I should focus on.
I do not want registry keys and values left behind.
I DO WANT to know of any significant change to the registry that might indicate a recent abnormality.
By keeping a clean registry that is free of any issues, I immediately spot when something has changed which might warrant investigation.
I accept that I.T. has the authority to impose policies,
but my immediate superior was the Technical Director and a member of the board,
and he was the one who found and downloaded the tool for killing Panda so that his work was not disrupted,
and he copied it to me and authorised me to use it also.
The Technical Director and I.T. had a head to head and we came out on top.
I.T. then changed to something better than Panda which did NOT destroy a morning's work whilst it updated virus signatures for viruses that never arrived - we had no USB ports for flash drives on our machines, and we had no Internet other than emails that were processed via company firewalls and servers - the Internet was one P.C. in the corner behind the Technical Director.
Regards
Alan
So,
why the slim version is very very silent (no shortcut) ? Isn't for MSP to do background jobs ?
I've no clue what any of this even means?
the only difference between the full install version and the slim version is that the slim version doesn't come bundled with the yahoo toolbar, it doesn't even come into play in this discussion.
isn't what for MSP (which I have no idea what this even is) to do background jobs? (by MSP do you mean Microsoft Patch Files? what does this even have to do with ccleaner)
Why am I contiuing answering this thread, I've only explained why we as a community and why the developers of this software have denied the request for "all users"
@Alan_B
Ok, you made your point. For the record, ever since I eschewed Win9x/ME (I switched to NT, then Win2k, as soon as I could), I've never had a missing executable at startup or missing DLL event after uninstalling software (and I do install/uninstall a lot). Yet I may have used a registry cleaner maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 14 years – and none since I moved to Vista, then Win7. Disk space is cheap these days. Salvaging a couple of sectors isn't worth the effort and risk, IMO. Defragmenting the disk regularly is a better way to keep the system shipshape.
But, whatever rocks your boat
(and no, I never was a sailor )