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Despite Microsoft saying for the past 6 years that Windows 10 will be the last named/numbered version, (and that the '10' would eventually be dropped),  they now seem to be hinting that there may indeed be a Windows 11.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-hints-of-upcoming-windows-11-reveal-later-this-month/

Don't know if the rumour has any 'legs'. (Bingo pun intended).

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I've seen that mentioned online the past few days. As far as the "last version" I know a few people in businesses when they were doing the forced upgrades where Win10 really was their last version, some bought Macs and others started using Linux.

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Or maybe not?

Now it seems that they may be going for a MacOS style 'location' name:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/not-windows-11-new-windows-10-name-scheme-hinted-in-microsoft-docs/

I wonder how much they are paying people to sit around debating different names?
As if users are realy bothered what it's called anyway as long as it works.

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2 hours ago, nukecad said:

As if users are realy bothered what it's called anyway as long as it works.

I encounter something buggy or glitched in Win10 almost everyday. The most annoying at present is it doesn't honor my folder settings the way I want them ordered. It too often goes back to the defaults even though umpteen times I've globally set it with my preferences which is very annoying.

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- Frankly I am not surprised. A new version of Windows (11 ???) allows the developers to fix bugs that are deep in the kernel. It allows the developers to start from scratch instead of "patching up" the old kernel with all the risks.

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Windows 10 support is ending in 2025

Microsoft is set to unveil the next generation of Windows next week.

Microsoft has announced it's sunsetting support for Windows 10 in October 2025, including across the Home, Pro, Pro Education and Pro for Workstations editions. The last day of support is slated for Oct. 14, 2025.

The news, spotted Sunday by Thurrott, means Microsoft is ending its support for the operating system after a 10-year life cycle. 

Read more: Is Windows 11 on the way? Here are hints Microsoft has dropped so far

Microsoft only just rolled out its latest version of the Windows 10 operating system, the Windows 10 May 2021 update (version 21H1), but is set to unveil "the next generation of Windows" at a virtual event next week, on June 24.

 

so far for me... its a good choice to stay with w8.1 :-) the support ends at 10. january 2023

perhaps is w11 - or whats the name should be - nicer as the "real last windows" but i think this is not for free... 

 

 

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They did a nice job copying Linux and Mac which is what I just read on another forum that's also in discussion about it, and yeah it looks that way.

Although moving the Windows Start Menu button is really going to annoy some people.

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Well as you have probably seen it's now official and Windows 11 will be released to market later this year.

The good news is that it's a free update to Windows 10, maybe less welcome is that there are new minimum system requirements.

A kicker is that as the requirements currently stand Win 11 will require a 'Trusted Platform Module (TPM)'  chip.
Newer computers may/should already have one but expect TPM chips to be a hot topic in the coming months.
It's possible that MS may drop that particular requirement.

Another annoying requirement for those who prefer not to have a Microsoft Account is that you will need one for the initial setup of Win 11 Home.
(Presumably you can switch back to a local account afterwards?).

You can see the new requirements here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-11-specifications#primaryR2
and there's an app to download to check your computer for compatibility:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11#pchealthcheck

(mmm, PCHealthCheck - now why does that sound familiar?).

Stupidly if that compatibility checker says that you machine is not compatible with Win 11 it gives no indication of why that is and what you need to do to make it compatible.

The compatibility checking app may say your computer is not compatible simply because an installed TPM chip has not been turned on in the BIOS/UEFI
Turning on an already installed TPM chip should make it compatible.
https://www.howtogeek.com/287737/how-to-check-if-your-computer-has-a-trusted-platform-module-tpm-chip/

You may be able to install a TPM chip if you don't already have one.
(Or get someone to install it for you, computer repair shops are probably already rubbing their hands).

 

Windows 10 will still be getting updates if you can't move to Win 11, Win 10 is expected to be End of Life in October 2025.

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I've just checked and the MS app says this laptop is not compatible for Win 11.

Checking tpm.msc and the UEFI there is no TPM showing, so now I'll have to find out what this motherboard is and if It has a 'slot' for one.

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As far as I'm aware, you can't install a TPM; the board needs to be designed for it, and if it's designed for it, it'll almost certainly have one installed already. Please prove me wrong, though, that'd be pretty darn cool and would make that requirement significantly less onerous.

Imagine my grumpy face at finding out my very nice laptop lacks TPM 2.0. :( It is, admittedly, from 2015, so I suppose that's a bit 'long in the tooth' - and since it'll still be in support until Oct 2025, I guess that's not too bad of a run.

Maybe I'll install Linux on it afterwards. Hahahahahahahah. (I've been saying I'll get into that for 20 years or so, and so far my biggest step was grabbing a self-help book from a garage sale. :D)

Another biiiiig gotcha to watch out for is the processor requirement - if you're using an Intel processor from before August 2017 (8th gen or later), you cannot use Windows 11 without upgrading it. Ditto AMD if you're not using a processor from around April 2018 or later (Ryzen 2nd gen or similar). 

Would be SO NICE if the Health Check app would tell you what, exactly, was preventing you from being compatible - that would be so, so much more useful.

At least my desktop supports it.

 

 

After enabling all the security stuff in BIOS, then finding out Windows won't boot, having to blow up my C: drive, reinstall, blue-screen during reinstall, troubleshoot that, and reinstall again.

oh well.

At least I found out where to turn on the CPU hardware virtualization features while I was messing around in the BIOS. :) VMs are handy tools to have.

 

P.S. If I remember correctly, I didn't have Secure Boot and the like turned on BECAUSE I was thinking of dual-booting some flavor of Linux. And then have never gotten around to in the ensuing, uh, five or six years. :)

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"If not, then go to your motherboard manufacturer's website and look for compatible TPMs that you can purchase on Amazon, Newegg, or directly from the manufacturer."

I sit corrected! Awesome, that should help make it accessible to more people.

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33 minutes ago, johnccleaner said:

As far as I'm aware, you can't install a TPM; the board needs to be designed for it, and if it's designed for it, it'll almost certainly have one installed already.

As that Bleeping article alludes, many MB's are designed to take one but the manufacturers penny pinch by not fitting one.

Whether any particular MB has been designed so that you can retrofit a TPM may be a bigger problem for laptops than for desktops.

Oh well we've got four years to save up before Win 10 becomes EoL, and then probably another 4 or 5 years at least until apps stop supporting it.

Microsoft do seem to be shooting themselves in the foot again with these new hardware requirements.

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37 minutes ago, johnccleaner said:

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"If not, then go to your motherboard manufacturer's website and look for compatible TPMs that you can purchase on Amazon, Newegg, or directly from the manufacturer."

I sit corrected! Awesome, that should help make it accessible to more people.

You may not need to install one.

The backroom guys on different forums are working hard to beat the system. Read some of these posts :)

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/watch-what-is-next-for-windows-event-on-june-24-2021.11/page-11#post-3024

 

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TBH I expect that Micosoft will drop that requirement once they see the stir it is causing.

Lets face it TPM is not exactly needed it's more of an extra. As  the number of computers that don't have one installed testifies.

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1 hour ago, hazelnut said:

You may not need to install one.

The backroom guys on different forums are working hard to beat the system. Read some of these posts :)

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/watch-what-is-next-for-windows-event-on-june-24-2021.11/page-11#post-3024

Well, yes, I'm sure there will be... unsupported options to bypass the requirement. People get creative. :) I'm just discussing the requirements as written, though, since that seems like the best way to avoid unwanted issues! 

25 minutes ago, nukecad said:

TBH I expect that Micosoft will drop that requirement once they see the stir it is causing.

Lets face it TPM is not exactly needed it's more of an extra. As  the number of computers that don't have one installed testifies.

We can but hope! Tinfoil hat warning: I have a feeling that they're insisting on this stuff to try to make it harder to bootleg Windows. (And/or to make it harder to dual-boot unacceptable 'alternative' OSes.) If so, then I doubt they'll drop the requirement no matter the outrage. But we'll see. There's some time before it actually comes out, after all.

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Apparently at the moment Alt+F4 if pressed when the window comes up asking you to sign in when doing the new install, it will  then close that active window and offer you the local account sign in option instead.

Cannot see that lasting long :lol:

 

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There has usually been a install with a local account option in Win 8.# and 10 - but they do like to hide it from non-techie users.

When I first installed Win 10 1503 I fell for it. (PS. It takes 6 months for MS to delete an account after you ask them to).

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3 minutes ago, nukecad said:

There has usually been a install with a local account option in Win 8.# and 10 - but they do like to hide it from non-techie users.

When I first installed Win 10 1503 I fell for it. (PS. It takes 6 months for MS to delete an account after you ask them to).

On Win 11 there isn't an option to bypass. Even turning off the internet won't work.

That's why I said I doubt if the Alt+F4 option will last into the install release date in the Autumn.

 

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23 hours ago, nukecad said:

Stupidly if that compatibility checker says that you machine is not compatible with Win 11 it gives no indication of why that is and what you need to do to make it compatible.

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The Verge: Now Microsoft’s app will say why your PC isn’t ready for Windows 11. https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/22550951/microsoft-pc-health-checkup-app-update-windows-11-compatibility-tool-details

 

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Now it's saying that my processor isn't supported, no more details than that. (But says nothing about the lack of a TPM chip).

Of course the processor is a grey area too, apparently Win 11 will run happily on CPU's that aren't on the 'official' list but you'll still get that not-supported message from the tool.

It's the usual MS dogs dinner, makes you wonder if they've just bought out a chip manufacturer (or done a deal with them).

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There is now an open source tool on github that does a better job of telling you just why your computer is not compatible with Win 11, and which bits are/are not compatible with the requirements.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/whynotwin11-is-a-better-replacement-for-windows-11s-pc-health-check/

Note that the tool is still in development (v2.2.2 was released 4 hours ago) and Windows Smart Screen may block it as an unrecognised application.
If you still want to try it (at your own risk) then in the Smart Screen warning click on 'More info' and you'll get the option to run it anyway.

Edit- That Smart Screen warning seems to have been fixed with v2.2.2.

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