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1) Defraggler can not cope with the work involved for the first time to some computer

 

2) Not defrag file pagefile.sys to some computer

 

I think he is simply trying to say that it will not defrag the pagefile on a computer.

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Yes, but what about the first thing ? <img src="http://forum.piriform.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

Sorry, I have been away a while.

 

I think the first thing, he really means that the first time you enable the task (defrag on a schedule), that it doesn't always work.

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Defraggler does not finish. I an running Windows XP SP-3 with all updates. Defraggler Ver 1.18.185 runs till about 92% then crashes and my computer reboots. This happens every time. I have x86 family 6 mod 6 Stepping 2 Authentin AMD 1599 MHZ with Award BIOS ver 6 PG and 2 Gig of sys men. 300 Gig HD with 152 Gig free.

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Defraggler does not finish. I an running Windows XP SP-3 with all updates. Defraggler Ver 1.18.185 runs till about 92% then crashes and my computer reboots. This happens every time. I have x86 family 6 mod 6 Stepping 2 Authentin AMD 1599 MHZ with Award BIOS ver 6 PG and 2 Gig of sys men. 300 Gig HD with 152 Gig free.

 

Start >> Run >> cmd >> chkdsk /R

If asked to, reboot.

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Within the last two days, Windows XP downloaded and installed 4 new Hot fixes. Yesterday when I attempted to run Defraggler on my "C" Drive, defrag showed 56% when I received a Windows Error Message saying that "Windows has encountered a problem and must close. Before these Hot fixes, Defraggler ran as advertised, but now any attempt to run Defraggler displays the same error message at 56%. I uninstalled Defraggler, thinking that perhaps the program had become corrupted, went to the website and downloaded it again and installed it. After insallation I ran Defraggler again, but again the same problem existed. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Within the last two days, Windows XP downloaded and installed 4 new Hot fixes. Yesterday when I attempted to run Defraggler on my "C" Drive, defrag showed 56% when I received a Windows Error Message saying that "Windows has encountered a problem and must close. Before these Hot fixes, Defraggler ran as advertised, but now any attempt to run Defraggler displays the same error message at 56%. I uninstalled Defraggler, thinking that perhaps the program had become corrupted, went to the website and downloaded it again and installed it. After insallation I ran Defraggler again, but again the same problem existed. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Solution:

 

- Filehippo + older version OR

- Sys Restore to older point OR

- Remove hotfixes installed since then...

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That's not really a solution - Defraggler shouldn't conflict with minor system updates. Did you install or uninstall anything else ?

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That's not really a solution - Defraggler shouldn't conflict with minor system updates. Did you install or uninstall anything else ?

 

I know they shouldn't, but that isn't the issue.

 

The issue is that MS sometimes fuddles things. I have seen bad drivers cause system hangups when "updated" etc.

 

Well, it shouldn't, it really shouldn't!!!

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Start >> Run >> cmd >> chkdsk /R

If asked to, reboot.

Service pack 3 has compatibility problems at times with certain things.

 

If you revert to SP2, I believe you will find your problem corrected. SP3 seems to work ok for some things, but start applying updates, n soon, you have a broken machine.

 

Go back to SP2. It is more stable, reliable, & just plain works.

 

Then End.

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Don't. Go. Back. To. SP2.

Microsoft will end support for it in July.

 

Aethec, the point it to get it working. He can always re-upgrade to SP3 after the fact. SP3 is more buggy than SP2, yet you advise against it because of support ending. The fact is, it is software. If support ended, or all humans died, etc, it would still work long after you are gone. SP1 is practically worthless because most AV & other programs require at least SP2. SP2 is pretty stable/upgraded firewall/security etc.

 

SP3 is harped as an advanced SP with bugs, fixes, & 10% faster speed increase. But it also contains bugs that can fatally in some cases, break the compatibility or ability of programs to function as desired.

 

Reverting to SP2 is as simple as either doing a System Restore, or going to Add/Remove programs & running the uninstall tool for it. In any case, if going back to SP2 will fix it, he can always re-upgrade to SP3 later.

 

Why would you advise against fixing the problem, simply because of lack of support? When I fix problems, I do not care if there isn't any MS Support, because I know that I know what I am doing, & I don't need their support to fix it.

 

There are some MS updates in time past, that have actually caused massive machine failure across hundreds of machines due to faulty drivers released.

I am not here to advise things based on support available for them, but rather to provide a fix that works.

 

Thanks!

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Hi,

 

About the crash...First of all please try the new version (1.20) as we did several stability fixes there. If the problem is still present, please create a debug log (run Defraggler.exe with /debug option). After the crash occurs in the Defraggler directory there should be also a file named exception.txt. Please attach it along with the log.

 

Please also note that even if Defraggler crashes it is not possible for it to reboot the system. Problem is probably lying somewhere else in your OS (driver, faulty hardware).

 

Best regards

Romanoff

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Hi,

 

About the crash...First of all please try the new version (1.20) as we did several stability fixes there. If the problem is still present, please create a debug log (run Defraggler.exe with /debug option). After the crash occurs in the Defraggler directory there should be also a file named exception.txt. Please attach it along with the log.

 

Please also note that even if Defraggler crashes it is not possible for it to reboot the system. Problem is probably lying somewhere else in your OS (driver, faulty hardware).

 

Best regards

Romanoff

 

Or, a hotfix.

 

I personally have seen software that worked fine, suddenly quite working after a hotfix was applied. In other cases, it would work, but only to a certain percentage, say, like 20% or 80% before exiting out.

 

The reason, is because certain hotfixes change the way the OS operates, as "loopholes" are "closed". This occasionally interferes with the normal operation of certain programs, depending on what kind of "loophole" or activity they restrict/lock-down. Of course, I mean this kind of comically, because to date, MS has never been able to produce a fully secured & unhackable system (as evidenced by the contests sponsored to see how long an OS stood before being compromised).

 

In many cases, it was merely minutes, or sometimes seconds before being compromised.

 

Sometimes, if a hotfix causes the problem, there are only 3 things you can do:

 

- Uninstall the hotfix causing the problem

- Revert to an older version of defraggler... Perhaps it will work?

- Wait for the newer, updated version of Defraggler...

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Uncorrected file system errors could also make Windows choke and die unexpectedly.

So if programs crash, do strange things or lock up it's always a good idea to run chkdsk.exe c: /f or /r

 

Richard S.

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MrDon take this as your final warning.

 

DO NOT ADVISE ANYMORE MEMBERS TO GO BACK TO SP2 AS A WAY OF SOLVING THEIR PROBLEMS.

 

Hazel, that is fine. But I advise you to please read here:

 

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-update/963816.htm

 

Additionally, I was just at a friends house tonight, as of July 18, 2010 / 2:30 PM EST & I witnessed their internet cutting out. A lot. They had it run through a wireless Belkin USB receiver in the other room. My friends mom stated that it happened after she had to replace the old one because it died. So, I personally checked their system. No malware to be found, clean system, clean start-up, etc. Latest drivers, latest Firefox, still had internet outages. They were not using any peer to peer programs, just surfing their regular Myspace pages, Photobucket, etc. online.

 

I checked their system properties & found they had SP3 installed. I requested permission to remove SP3 & revert back to SP2. After I uninstalled the service pack & rebooted, the internet that had been going out every few minutes, suddenly it became rock solid. I was there & just got back around 10 PM & they still did not have a single internet drop on their receiver.

 

Reverting to SP2 fixed their internet connectivity problems & all was well. Additionally, I was testing a program just yesterday that did not work at all under SP3. It is fine not to tell people to go back to a prior SP if that is what you wish, but however, SP3 is known to have internet connectivity bugs & if you will Google a little, you will find that this is something that plagues a lot of people after an SP3 update. I am not saying all users suffer from it, but a lot do.

 

If I advocated them sticking with SP3, they would still be with sporadic internet that works a few minutes at the time. I am aware that SP3 is supposed to be the latest, greatest Service Pack for XP. I am also aware that SP2 is far more stable in wireless internet connectivity in addition to compatibility with far more programs. I have programs right now that do not work with SP3 that work fine in SP2.

 

I have not advised anyone here to switch since the warning you gave me, but I was just wondering why you are so vocal about having SP3 installed when it causes problems for many users? I am well aware that SP2 may be ending the support life cycle of MS, but that isn't the end of the world is it?

 

If it is, maybe no-one should use anything that isn't "in the MS support cycle..." (including CCleaner?)

 

Just wondering. I will read your reply later. Right now, I am very sleepy, as I had some people I helped earlier over at my place. Thanks, Hazel!

 

Have a good night!

 

 

Have a good night, I am sleepy!

 

P.S. While I was fixing their problem, your words rang in my head, "DO NOT EVER ADVOCATE ANYONE SWITCH BACK TO SP2 AS A WAY TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS". Of course, I do highly respect your opinion, but in this case, since this was a close friend.... And they were a few miles from me down the road...

 

A simple revert to SP2 solved every one of their wireless internet problems. Internet just stayed on, no conking out after a few minutes, or opening a 2 or 3 tabs on Firefox, etc...

 

My last thoughts before I left were.... Wow, that sure did work good, but boy, if Hazel were here in real life to oversee fixing the connection, I can't imagine how angry she would get if anyone removed SP3...

 

This is not the first time I have seen SP3 knock out wireless. Have seen it on laptops as well. Hazel? LOL! I sure am glad you don't live close to me, but at the same time, I wonder how you would have fixed the same problem? Since SP3 is known for bugs like that? If you wouldn't take off SP3, what is there left to do? Would really love to know your suggestion/solution.

 

Sincerely,

 

Don

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I've updated my laptop to SP3 and never experienced problems with my wireless so I cannot comment on the ill effects of this service pack.

If there's a driver issue then re-install, if there's no technical support for XP SP3 then people should switch to a different brand.

Reverting back to SP2 is running away from the problem which may in fact have a solution if you look for it.

 

Anyway in regards to Defraggler I see no reason why SP3 should be implicated it's nothing more than a bundle of all security / bug fixes for SP2 rolled into one.

Programs crash for many reasons, usually due to unhandled circumstances such as file system or conflicts with security / av products, incompatibility with SP3 should had created sudden death.

 

Richard S.

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I've updated my laptop to SP3 and never experienced problems with my wireless so I cannot comment on the ill effects of this service pack.

If there's a driver issue then re-install, if there's no technical support for XP SP3 then people should switch to a different brand.

Reverting back to SP2 is running away from the problem which may in fact have a solution if you look for it.

 

Anyway in regards to Defraggler I see no reason why SP3 should be implicated it's nothing more than a bundle of all security / bug fixes for SP2 rolled into one.

Programs crash for many reasons, usually due to unhandled circumstances such as file system or conflicts with security / av products, incompatibility with SP3 should had created sudden death.

 

Richard S.

 

Service Pack 3 is computer specific.

 

The good about SP3 is this:

 

- An average of 10% faster performance

- Slightly faster finish speeds for programs

- Patches are slightly more up-to-date

- Better network collaboration

- Easier network administration

 

The bad:

 

- On some computers, they fail to boot at all, even in safe mode, after installing SP3

- Sometimes network connections stop working for a while under SP3, but uninstalling it will make it disappear.

- Games, such as Crysis, work a big slower & have lag under SP3.

- There are lots of software programs that are incompatible with SP3 that work fine under SP2.

 

There are a lot of bugs, including some that I have seen personally, & some that others have seen such as AMD machines crash after SP3 install, Windows crashes, continuous reboots/blue screens, among other things.

 

This happens whether a computer has a fresh, clean install of windows, or windows is months old. It happens on brand new high speed machines, or older machines.

Per Hazel's instructions, I cannot advise you not to use SP3, as, bugs & all, it is, after all, the "latest & greatest" from Microsoft.

 

But using SP3 is like playing the lottery. Sometimes it works on some machines & configurations, while sometimes it does not. SP2, in my experience, is far more stable & in general, just works with almost anything you throw at it. However, stick to Hazel's advice & always use the latest service pack no matter what, because that is guaranteed to be the best.

 

I would still love to know what Hazel would have done to solve it.

 

Let me address your following concerns above:

 

- "If there's a driver issue then re-install" > This was using the latest Belkin wireless router driver they had... Not an option

- "If there's no technical support for XP SP3 then people should switch to a different brand" > This doesn't always work? For example: Vista, even with tech support, has problems. I tried taking a Philips 1 GB mp3 player to back up the music to a 1 GB flash drive that was freshly formatted. There was only 500 mb music. Vista stalled out halfway through & complained that the flash drive was full, so it cannot copy it over. I could, however, select smaller batches & it would work. Additionally, Vista lost a host of file sorting capabilities that XP has. MS never will add those back to XP. XP also could copy the entire batch when I checked, without any problem. Why use junk just because it is "supported"? Vista is known to have a ton of bugs. Windows 7 is much better than Vista, but it still has trouble running things that work fine on XP. Additionally, XP is faster than Vista, even on newer machines. Windows 7 is better than Vista, but XP still is the fastest on certain areas. Vista also was known to be formulated based on Trusted Computing Platform, which in layman's terms, was singlehandedly one of the reasons it crashed so much initially, because they had to figure a way to integrate a hardware system of flags to prevent you from being able to display "untrusted" video sources in addition to using anything to make a backup of movies you owned, or software you owned that was in danger of being scratched up/permanently gone due to not being produced by the manufacturer any longer. Video companies, especially, struggled with this issue. Because of the TCP platform requirements introduced to control what you do on your machine, it caused early versions of Firefox to crash every few min. TCP is easy to find & google. The hardware flag was intended to operate such that if any video contained a do not copy flag, your machine will refuse to clone a disk. Effectively stripping all the power & control from you, & putting the control back into the seller's hands. You would pay for a computer, but everyone else would own it. You would pay for an OS, but the OS would control what you did. I haven't researched the TCP of Windows 7 yet to see if they got around to that, or if consumers complained enough that they learned their lesson. If you haven't, you should google TCP & Vista. Very, very interesting. And also very, very true. I am not certain if they still do it, will have to research/test more later... Another good reason to stick with XP. Windows Vista/7 also make it hard or impossible to drag the top corner of an open folder to the desktop/flash drive/other to create a shortcut to that folder. In addition to many other annoyances.

 

I am not sure I would say stick with XP though, because Hazel just may want you to stick with Vista or Windows 7, since they are newer, & a DRM'd + TCP computer may be lots better for you than a non DRM/TCP machine. I am not certain if you even want to copy/clone movies or games. Maybe you just want a basic computer that burns regular content. Maybe you do not even play games. Or watch movies? I recommend you update to W7 to be sure that you have the latest & most patched system. I would never want to imagine what Hazel would think of me if I even suggested XP, so I recommend the latest & greatest. I am not even suggesting that the DRM is not possible to work around, or that it just sometimes causes problems that do not exist in XP. XP is not perfect, after all, but It seems stable/usable/fast to me. Not that Vista & W7 cannot run reasonably fast, but tests & games show improved response under XP.

 

Now, you did not specify, but assuming that you just meant to switch hardware brands instead of software, this was not an option. They had paid for the router, & it was past the date they could return it for a swap. Not everyone is made of $$$ like you, my friend.

 

- "Reverting back to SP2 is running away from the problem which may in fact have a solution if you look for it." > It may, it may! Please do show me the solution? It is running away from the problem? It may be running away, but why is it that SP2 works solid as a rock with it, but SP3 always kills it off? Clean install of XP SP3 just doesn't work properly with this particular WIFI connection, while SP2 works like a dream. Please, help me, send me the solution. I would love to know... Unfortunately, it is well documented that on some systems, SP3 wreaks havoc with WIFI & other utilities. Google is testimony to the fact that there are tons of others with the exact same problem & the fact that like me, thousands of others had their WIFI come back after a revert. But, alas, sadly, it is running away from the problem to revert to SP2, so I should really just upgrade to SP3 so my WIFI can drop every couple minutes or so.... Actually, it is my friends WIFI. Instead of talking about how it is running away from the problem, would you be so kind as to post a workable solution? I will listen to it, honest. If it works, I will let you know.

- "Anyway in regards to Defraggler I see no reason why SP3 should be implicated it's nothing more than a bundle of all security / bug fixes for SP2 rolled into one." > This is an intermittent problem. Defraggler works fine on some SP3 systems, while on others SP3 causes problems. Perhaps due to the way SP3 changes how XP addresses hardware & software?

- "Programs crash for many reasons". > I 100% agree with you!

- "usually due to unhandled circumstances such as file system"... > This happened on their machine reguardless of using Fat 32, NTFS, or a clean install, so it would not be file system errors!

- "or conflicts with security / av products" > It did not matter if there were security products on the machine, or a clean install with no security products, with or without any router security passwords used. Of course, it does have a password on it, I was just testing... So no, it is not due to security product incompatibility as my clean install disk doesn't have anything integrated with XP other than the SP2 or SP3.

- "incompatibility with SP3 should had created sudden death" > Service Pack 3 doesn't always make a computer endlessly loop reboots, or crash, or fail to boot up. Sometimes it just drops WIFI internet signals for no reason whatsoever. SP2 never does this. In my experience, SP2 is far more stable, while SP3 has bug fixes & is, well, buggy to boot!

 

To sum this up, while SP2 may have fixed my problems, I still recommend you keep SP3 no matter what. If your screen freezes, hey, it could be a driver issue. Or incompatible hardware. Or SP3 bugs. Just keep SP3. Don't worry about SP2. SP2 is losing MS support, so it is automatically trash... This means that SP3 is, & always will be better than SP2. Besides, you should be able to fix any problem that SP3 may have. Should be pretty easy, I would think. Simple driver update, or perhaps a brand new router, or, try another security product, or mess with windows day after day tweaking settings & changing files till you find the culprit!

 

Maybe it is just registry settings? Piece of cake, I mean, it can't be that hard. Fire up regedit, navigate to the software key, or use the built in search key if needed, & just mod the reg keys as needed...

 

Once MS stops support, then you need to update to the latest windows version.

 

Which for now, is Windows 7 with XP compatibility mode. Never trade down, always trade up. Even if some of your programs that work in XP no longer do under Windows 7. There are programs that don't even work under Windows 7, even under XP SP2 compatibility mode that work under XP SP2 genuine. Windows 7 also has a much harder to use interface to search flash or external drives for files, + the search it does have doesn't find all the files on your computer. This is trash, because if you have certain files you need to pull up, even with music, MP3 files... Windows 7 totally ignores some files! But so does Vista!

 

Windows Vista & 7 give you the results they want you to have. Sure, I know about advanced search, & show hidden files, system files, etc, but I have used Windows 7 & Vista (not the home or the basic version, either) enough to know that basically, they just lack a lot in a lot of areas. XP search will find whatever files you have. Of course, there are free utilities to fix that, such as lightning fast Locate 32... Maybe you love having half baked features, but I don't. But I am sure that many think that W7 is the best, so use it if you like it better.

 

Whew, this is so long! But I had to tell you it all so you can understand. Never trade down, always up. Losing programs you use are nothing. Having the latest version is always the best because MS said so & you better buy it. I heard a funny joke once about how Microsoft combined the best features of windows CE, + ME, + NT & came up with CEMENT. Hard as a rock & dumb as a brick.

 

It seems that while stability rises through succeeding generations of Windows, that usability takes a hit for the worse. I think that joke must be coming true! Haha!

 

I am sleepy & I had to work hard today in the heat, but I will check later to hear your reply. Of interest to me, is hearing what kind of solution you would have presented. Let me know how you would have fixed it for them using SP3 & I will be glad to try it. Please don't say by getting a new router, because they cannot afford it right now.

 

I will check back later to see your solution. I will be glad to hear from you.

 

Oh, yes! P.S. This was the last version of SP3 that was supposed to have some of the bugs worked out. This was not the earlier editions of SP3 that ""were not ready" at the time. This was considered official & final by MS...

 

Don

 

Of interest to read... > http://www.pcworld.com/article/146228/symantec_blames_microsoft_for_xp_sp3_registry_corruption.html

 

Symantec Thursday said it was Microsoft's code that crippled some PCs after upgrades to Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) emptied Device Manager, deleted network connections, and packed the Registry with thousands of bogus entries.

 

"We finally got to the bottom of this last night," said Dave Cole, Symantec's senior director for product management of its consumer software. "All of these problems are related to the same thing, a Microsoft file that created all the garbage entries [in the registry]."

 

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207600950

 

Within hours of its release, Microsoft's Service Pack 3 for Windows XP began drawing hundreds of complaints from users who claim the update is wreaking havoc on their PCs.

 

The problems with XP SP3, according to posters on Microsoft's Windows XP message board, range from spontaneous reboots to outright system crashes.

 

"My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in Windows not starting up," complained user Michael Faklis, in a post Wednesday. "After three attempts [to install XP SP3] with different configurations each time, System Restore was the only way to get me out of deep s**t," said 'Doug W'.

 

Another user said the service pack prevented him from starting his computer. "I downloaded and installed Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals," wrote 'Paul'. "Now I can't get the computer to boot."

 

Dozens of other posters reported similar problems...

 

Peace. Don't forget to tell me the solution! Night!

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Hi !

I run a dual-boot-system (windows2000 and XP).

Found two big bugs in the latest version (1.20.201).

-Defragging the systempartition from XP, the first time resulted in a BSOD.

It took 5 ! reboots until the RAID0-array was recognized again !

Running defraggler again it defragmentated the partition, but moved the MBFR to the end of partition (seen from XP).

Seen from w2k, it?s still First?!

-Defragging an external HD (WD-mybook 500GB) connected via firewire resulted continously after 15 minutes in a complete system-freeze.

It didn?t matter, what file was defragged, after 15 minutes the system froze.

Running defraggler from w2k to continue the cleanup on the WD, the system froze additionally on emule-temp-files.

 

Agi

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Hi !

I run a dual-boot-system (windows2000 and XP).

Found two big bugs in the latest version (1.20.201).

-Defragging the systempartition from XP, the first time resulted in a BSOD.

It took 5 ! reboots until the RAID0-array was recognized again !

Running defraggler again it defragmentated the partition, but moved the MBFR to the end of partition (seen from XP).

Seen from w2k, it?s still First?!

-Defragging an external HD (WD-mybook 500GB) connected via firewire resulted continously after 15 minutes in a complete system-freeze.

It didn?t matter, what file was defragged, after 15 minutes the system froze.

Running defraggler from w2k to continue the cleanup on the WD, the system froze additionally on emule-temp-files.

 

Agi

 

Agi, I will try to help you, but firstly, I need more specific information to get a better handle on how to help. You stated you had XP + W2k. I need to know the following information, if you don't mind, my friend:

 

- XP, what service pack is it? None? SP1? SP2? SP3?

- What is the service pack of Windows 2,000? None? 4?

- How fast is your system? What MHZ is the processor?

- How much memory do you have installed?

- What size are your hardisk(s)?

- What percent full are your hardisk(s)?

- How many harddisk(s) are in your array?

- About how long have you had your current dual boot installation going? A few months? Clean install? Few years?

- How many security software(s) do you have on your system, say, AVG, Norton, McAffee, etc? What anti-virus/anti-spyware programs do you have installed?

- Do you have updates turned on or off in XP, & also in Windows 2,000?

 

Please reply with the requested information above, as much as you are able, & I will try to get back with you later with a reply.

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Hello Mr. Don,

Thank you for offering help, but the problems seem to have vanished after all partitions were defragged from xp and w2k.

Reading the first post in this thread again, it seems that every new version causes the same troubble, when run the the first time.

Nevertheless here are my sysspecs:

Board: MSI A7V266-E (lumberjacker-full-raid-bios)

Couldn´t recheck the stripe- and clustersize, but I remember to have set them very small

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2000+ @ 1667 mhz (stock)

RAM: 3x 1GB Kingston

HDDs: 2x120GB RAID0 systempartition and 2 other partitions (55% free), 1x160GB (pagefile.sys only 4,5GB [rest free]) until the nlite-cds are finished, sometimes a WD-mybook 500GB (35% free) via firewire

The installations (8 weeks) were 'clean' with the latest servicepacks and updates.

All automatic updates are off.

During the defrag all unnecessary programs were closed and processes were terminated and the cable was plugged out.

 

Agi

 

EDDI T. says:

It was not the MBFR, but the MFT.

It´s still resting at the end of partition C: and can´t be moved back.

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