Aethec Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 The problem with Wipe Free Space is that lots of users believe it will clean something and increase their computer's performance. I think Wipe Free Space should be a tool in Tools, with a good explanation, and not as a checkbox in the Cleaner section. Piriform French translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ident Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 +1, very much agree. Running it as a checkbox every time ccleaner is run is pointles. which alot of users do because they are not fully aware what it actually does. As you stated. No fate but what we make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted January 2, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 2, 2010 2 ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. CCLEANER, RECUVA, DEFRAGGLER AND SPECCY DOCUMENTATION CAN BE FOUND AT https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us and https://www.ccleaner.com/docs Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT request at https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us/requests/new link to WINAPP2.INI explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDPower Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 +3 Can't see why it was ever put anywhere other than the tools section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalj Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 +4 I suggested this a while ago. Same reason. Piriform Software User Guides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethec Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 Bump... A LOT of users think WFS should be used with a normal cleaning... Piriform French translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted March 23, 2010 Moderators Share Posted March 23, 2010 HA I almost +1'd again ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. CCLEANER, RECUVA, DEFRAGGLER AND SPECCY DOCUMENTATION CAN BE FOUND AT https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us and https://www.ccleaner.com/docs Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT request at https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us/requests/new link to WINAPP2.INI explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethec Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 Bump. The number of users who use WFS as part of their daily/weekly cleaning is big. And they all think it will free up space, or increase their PC's performance, or both. Just look in the CCleaner Discussion forum Piriform French translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ident Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 In the last few days i have witnessed 2 users post that they believe it will free up space. A good quote today is "I am using this tool simply because it is how CCleaner works" People think because the check is there to use it. I could guess the proportion of people who read the user guide would be less then 20% The end of the day what is ccleaner? A junk cleaner which in theory gives the user more free space on there HD. Many people will think the more check marks that are checked the more space they will retain. IE always have WFS checked because they don't really understand what it is for. The name alone "Wipe Free Space" can sound appealing when on the hunt for more free space. No fate but what we make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted April 27, 2010 Moderators Share Posted April 27, 2010 In the last few days i have witnessed 2 users post that they believe it will free up space. A good quote today is "I am using this tool simply because it is how CCleaner works" People think because the check is there to use it. I could guess the proportion of people who read the user guide would be less then 20% The end of the day what is CCleaner? A junk cleaner which in theory gives the user more free space on there HD. Many people will think the more check marks that are checked the more space they will retain. IE always have WFS checked because they don't really understand what it is for. The name alone "Wipe Free Space" can sound appealing when on the hunt for more free space. Yup, this is also my worry. We've seen the same thing occur with the registry section "but it said there was something wrong with that entry, so there must have been" Less people go into the tools section and click and run. If WFS is to stay in CCleaner (still in my opinion it should not) I'd like to also renew the call for it's moving to tools, where a longish explanation can be made of it's goals and purposes as well as a warning that over use is not advisable. (Hey Ident, how'd you change your user type to Crabz LOL ) ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. CCLEANER, RECUVA, DEFRAGGLER AND SPECCY DOCUMENTATION CAN BE FOUND AT https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us and https://www.ccleaner.com/docs Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT request at https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us/requests/new link to WINAPP2.INI explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr don Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 I agree. My thumbs up to add it to the tools. Waaaayyyy tooo confusing having it in the cleaner section, then having to checkmark the clean after you already checkmarked to wipe the space in order to even get it to run! A simple way to add the drive you want to shred, then select # passes, & hopefully be able to shred multiple drives at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethec Posted May 22, 2010 Author Share Posted May 22, 2010 How many people will have to spend hours cleaning because they checked the WFS checkbox before it is removed from the Cleaner section ? (sadly, the answer isn't blowing in the wind...OK, lame joke) Piriform French translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy2 Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Aethec, I agree, WFS should be in the Tools section and I have an additional reason why it should. i.e. it wipes all System Restore Points (SRP). When Windows (i.e. XP, I don't know if this happens in Vista or W7 as well) detects diskspace is running (very) low it automatically starts to delete a number of things, e.g. SRPs and the internet cache. So, it can free up extra diskspace but a lot of folks simply don't want/need those SRPs to be wiped. I came across this problem because I used WFS regularly in the last months and was wondering why I didn't have any SRPs any more. In one regard WFS does make a difference. Take a look at the two pictures in the attachment. It shows a screen dump (thanks to Defraggler) before and after I used WFS on a non-system drive. The purple blocks in the oval depict the $MFT (according to DF). System setup: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/gcNzIPEjEb0B2khOOBVCHPc A discussion always stimulates the braincells !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethec Posted May 22, 2010 Author Share Posted May 22, 2010 Resizing the MFT reserved is not necessarily a good thing - it will be used if there isn't any space left anyway, and having a fragmented MFT will degrade performance more than any other file. Piriform French translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy2 Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Aethec, Again, I agree. I don't use WFS to intentionally resize and fragment the MFT, it's merely a side effect of using WFS. The impact WFS has on the System Restore Points and the MFT are two very good reasons why the WFS option should be removed from the CC main screen. But don't move it to ""Tools"". I think it's better to move it to the ""Advanced"" section. And I think CC should always untick it after use. System setup: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/gcNzIPEjEb0B2khOOBVCHPc A discussion always stimulates the braincells !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy2 Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 I took a thorough look at what happens with Wipe Free Space and it seems (!) Windows starts to delete SRPs when the amount of free diskspace on a drive drops below 1.0%. So, the Piriform folks could modify the WFS option in such a way that it would stop when the amount of free space drops/threatens to drop below, say 1.1% or 1.2%. System setup: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/gcNzIPEjEb0B2khOOBVCHPc A discussion always stimulates the braincells !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDPower Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 I took a thorough look at what happens with Wipe Free Space and it seems (!) Windows starts to delete SRPs when the amount of free diskspace on a drive drops below 1.0%. So, the Piriform folks could modify the WFS option in such a way that it would stop when the amount of free space drops/threatens to drop below, say 1.1% or 1.2%. And then people would complain about the 1.1% of recoverable files after wiping free space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy2 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 The comment Aethec made in post #1 of this thread - IMO - still applies for CC v3.00. Just remove the Wipe Free Space option from the ""Windows"" pane and move all the options (including the cleaning of the MFT) to the tools section. I think that in the current situation the confusion remains. The discussion in this thread is also enlightning. http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=30444 Though I would move some info from this thread to the online documentation. System setup: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/gcNzIPEjEb0B2khOOBVCHPc A discussion always stimulates the braincells !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDPower Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 The comment Aethec made in post #1 of this thread - IMO - still applies for CC v3.00. Just remove the Wipe Free Space option from the ""Windows"" pane and move all the options (including the cleaning of the MFT) to the tools section. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishan_rulz Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Agreed. Agreed. Simplicity is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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