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Ipod without Itunes

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i was just reading some were there about programs that can put mysic from your computer to youir ipod with out itunes. I wanted to try some out but i can only find to ephpod, and xplay neither really do waht i want. What i want is for one to be able to put music to an ipod and take it off. xplay does thta but not very good.

Any ideas? :)

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