Tom AZ Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I'm using a third party Firewall (Outpost Firewall Pro). Should the Windows Firewall be used concurrently with it -- or is it an "either/or" -- one or the other choice? Didn't know if running them together would cause some conflicts -- one fighting the other -- or if it's just simply redundant and not necessary to use both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators TwistedMetal Posted July 9, 2007 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2007 Windows XP Firewall is a joke anyways, only use it when you don't have one. Outpost is all you need. Your Friendly Neighborhood Piriform Forum Moderator Quick Links: CCleaner Products | CCleaner Documentation | Knowledge Center | Downloads | Lost License Key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom AZ Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 Windows XP Firewall is a joke anyways, only use it when you don't have one. Outpost is all you need. That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted July 9, 2007 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2007 To set things straight WinXP's firewall is a joke in the sense of it not filtering any outbound/outgoing connections, and for having a completely useless logging feature, however everyone is entitled to their opinion of it. It's also easily disabled, hell even Windows Updates/Microsoft Updates website will kill the Windows Security Center service along with the firewall service portion if the website isn't functioning correctly or has a problem, which of course means a system reboot is necessary to start the service again. With proper anti-malware software installed and fully updated most third-party software-based firewalls aren't really going to offer much more other than the added feature of outbound filtering and of course the odd bug, or two, or three, or dozen, etc., and of course all the annoying alerting or flashing systray icon they're going to have/cause. I personally use the WinXP firewall and have no need to try or test anymore third-party variety hence each and every third-party firewall I've used I've found or encountered a bug with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators rridgely Posted July 9, 2007 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2007 I pretty much agree with everything andavari just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1200 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 me too, I don't use third party firewall either. For those use torrent you better have one,lol Nlite Tutorial, Wireless Security Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_L Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Mind if I hijack this thread for a moment with a question? I recently uninstalled PC Tools Firewall Plus. Not the new version but their first one. Version 1.0 maybe? Anyways I had trouble with it and AVG AV off and on ever since I installed Firewall Plus. Various AVG updates would cause the firewall problems. The two would work harmoniously and then there'd be a big AVG update and afterwards AVG simply could and would not connect to the internet for further updates. I like AVG and I've used if for years now and since I'm loyal I ditched the Firewall Plus, no one on their forum or the AVG forum could fix my problem, and turned the Windows Firewall back on. I've noticed that every now and then I'll hear a "boing" tone and a red shield icon will appear down in the bottom right of my screen (taskbar?). My computer will make that "boing" tone, the red shield will appear, and then in less than 2 seconds it disappears. It's the same red shield you see if you go into the control panel to turn the Windows Firewall off. My question is is my firewall turning off on it's own or is this normal behavior? I go into Control Panel and it always shows the firewall on. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony A Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I turn on the Windows firewall but I am behind a hardware firewall with my router so I probably don't need it. There has been no problems with the set up at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators DennisD Posted July 9, 2007 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2007 I've mentioned a number of times in other threads that I use Windows Firewall, and I wouldn't change it. Yes, it's only for inbound stuff, but when new programmes I've installed dial out, Windows Firewall has always blocked them from downloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDPower Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I've mentioned a number of times in other threads that I use Windows Firewall, and I wouldn't change it. And I'm still using Sygate, and suspect I will be for a while yet as theres been nothing close to it as far as problem free effective firewalls go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom AZ Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 And I'm still using Sygate, and suspect I will be for a while yet as theres been nothing close to it as far as problem free effective firewalls go. Didn't Sygate get acquired by Symantec a while back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDPower Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Didn't Sygate get acquired by Symantec a while back? Yeah but you can still get Sygate in plenty of places: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Fire...wall-Free.shtml And it still passes the leak tests with 100% stealth rating, despite being a couple of year old (and just as imporantly doesn't break anything or pester me for permissions every five mins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted July 10, 2007 Moderators Share Posted July 10, 2007 And I'm still using Sygate I absolutely loved the logging feature in that firewall and haven't seen anything as good in any other firewall - it was straight forward and easy to understand. But SPF always had the problem of a slow rotting process (similar to OS rot) where it would become so buggy after being installed for a long time (many, many months) that I'd have to remove it and start fresh again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDPower Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I absolutely loved the logging feature in that firewall and haven't seen anything as good in any other firewall - it was straight forward and easy to understand. But SPF always had the problem of a slow rotting process (similar to OS rot) where it would become so buggy after being installed for a long time (many, many months) that I'd have to remove it and start fresh again. I've never had to reinstall it and never had a single problem with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireryone Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Mind if I hijack this thread for a moment with a question? I recently uninstalled PC Tools Firewall Plus. Not the new version but their first one. Version 1.0 maybe? Anyways I had trouble with it and AVG AV off and on ever since I installed Firewall Plus. Various AVG updates would cause the firewall problems. The two would work harmoniously and then there'd be a big AVG update and afterwards AVG simply could and would not connect to the internet for further updates. I like AVG and I've used if for years now and since I'm loyal I ditched the Firewall Plus, no one on their forum or the AVG forum could fix my problem, and turned the Windows Firewall back on. I've noticed that every now and then I'll hear a "boing" tone and a red shield icon will appear down in the bottom right of my screen (taskbar?). My computer will make that "boing" tone, the red shield will appear, and then in less than 2 seconds it disappears. It's the same red shield you see if you go into the control panel to turn the Windows Firewall off. My question is is my firewall turning off on it's own or is this normal behavior? I go into Control Panel and it always shows the firewall on. Thanks! Hey David_L Feel free to post your own topic using the "new topic" button. You may get a better responce that way. regards fireryone fireryone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeCee Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I also use Sygate and really like it. Ran Steve Gibson's Shields UP! test many times and always got 100% stealth mode status, also with that longer test. I got disabled Windows build-in firewall. Path Copy TeraCopy Unlocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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