Windows 11 ?

3 minutes ago, nukecad said:
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		There has usually been a install with a local account option in Win 8.# and 10 - but they do like to hide it from non-techie users.
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		When I first installed Win 10 1503 I fell for it. (PS. It takes 6 months for MS to delete an account after you ask them to).
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On Win 11 there isn't an option to bypass. Even turning off the internet won't work.

That's why I said I doubt if the Alt+F4 option will last into the install release date in the Autumn.

23 hours ago, nukecad said:
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		Stupidly if that compatibility checker says that you machine is not compatible with Win 11 it gives no indication of why that is and what you need to do to make it compatible.
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fixed

The Verge: Now Microsoft’s app will say why your PC isn’t ready for Windows 11. https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/22550951/microsoft-pc-health-checkup-app-update-windows-11-compatibility-tool-details

Now it's saying that my processor isn't supported, no more details than that. (But says nothing about the lack of a TPM chip).

Of course the processor is a grey area too, apparently Win 11 will run happily on CPU's that aren't on the 'official' list but you'll still get that not-supported message from the tool.

It's the usual MS dogs dinner, makes you wonder if they've just bought out a chip manufacturer (or done a deal with them).

There is now an open source tool on github that does a better job of telling you just why your computer is not compatible with Win 11, and which bits are/are not compatible with the requirements.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/whynotwin11-is-a-better-replacement-for-windows-11s-pc-health-check/

Note that the tool is still in development (v2.2.2 was released 4 hours ago) and Windows Smart Screen may block it as an unrecognised application.

If you still want to try it (at your own risk) then in the Smart Screen warning click on 'More info' and you'll get the option to run it anyway.

Edit- That Smart Screen warning seems to have been fixed with v2.2.2.

I find it hard to believe that MS will release an operating system that a huge percentage of people cannot use.

We shall see.

Here's a set of results from that new tool.

This is from an Asus X551MA laptop, currently running Win 10 21H1 quite happily.

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You can see that it's given a caution on the Celeron N2840 CPU.

Not sure why that is but may be because the processor itself is compatible but doesn't have Intel TPP (Intels on-chip TPM)?


Or maybe because it's not on the Microsoft compatiblity list but the specs say it should be?

There's a fail on DirectX/WDDM2.

And there is no TPM, or it's not enabled. (There isn't one I've already checked).

At least it gives a better idea of what you need to be looking at than Microsofts effort does.

How many folk do you think would be confident enough to turn on TPM in the bios ?

Not too many I think, even if they can work out why they cannot have Win 11.

It does seem stupid and as I said above I'll not be at all surprised if that requirement isn't dropped.

Although this blog indicates that they don't intend to do that and see TPM2 as an integral part of Win 11:

https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/06/25/windows-11-enables-security-by-design-from-the-chip-to-the-cloud/?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=kXQk6*ivFEQ&ranSiteID=kXQk6.ivFEQ-F1FQJkmHGPq_8kgszNG02g&epi=kXQk6.ivFEQ-F1FQJkmHGPq_8kgszNG02g&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=(ir__dcfg633qkwkfqijhowf2dxsd0e2xuqr6etliv1le00)(7593)(1243925)(kXQk6.ivFEQ-F1FQJkmHGPq_8kgszNG02g)()&irclickid=_dcfg633qkwkfqijhowf2dxsd0e2xuqr6etliv1le00

mh, dont run with w8.1.

Has anyone in this forum thread had an issue with CCleaner in Windows 11?

I do feel sorry for the people who might be left out when the RTM arrives. However, I do like the requirements. On the other hand, I think that if your hardware has TPM 1.2/2.0(PTT, fTPM or a hardware TPM chip) and Secure Boot and Intel Virtualization technology then that person should be able install Windows 11. Also, I think that the PC user should be able to disable the security feature in the BIOS that cause a performance hit (Hint, Intel Virtualization Technology). Lastly, Intel Virtualization Technology should not be a mandatory requirement.

9 minutes ago, Jesse11 said:
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		Is CCleaner safe for Windows 11?
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Windows 11 is in very early Beta testing (Insider Programme) and no software is going to claim compatibility with anything in Beta.

By the time Windows 11 is fully Released to Market then CCleaner will (should) be compatible with it.

But until then Windows 11 is experimental and will change rapidly - so nobody is going to give any guarantees about using their software with it.

9 minutes ago, nukecad said:
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		Windows 11 is in very early Beta testing (Insider Programme) and no software is going to claim compatibility with anything in Beta.
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		By the time Windows 11 is fully Released to Market then CCleaner will (should) be compatible with it.
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		But until then Windows 11 is experimental and will change rapidly - so nobody is going to give any guarantees about using their software with it.
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I'm completely aware of that. Let me rephrase what I said. Has anyone in this forum thread had an issue with CCleaner in Windows 11?

Here is a good read for you guys:

Why Windows 11 is leaving so many PCs behind | PCWorld

1 hour ago, Jesse11 said:
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		Has anyone in this forum thread had an issue with CCleaner in Windows 11?
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I don't know anyone with Win 11 yet, apart from @Andavariand although he opened CCleaner he said that he didn't run it.

Maybe he's given it a go by now?

OK, I was my own guinea pig. Since everyone has a unique setup, I don't advise anyone to run CCleaner on their Windows 11 PCs. However, I did with no issues so far.

I would definitely avoid the Registry Cleaner, the Software Updater, and the Driver Updater.

Health Check as well, except possibly if CCleaner Free, in Pro it runs Software Updater (Security), and I wouldn't trust the Startup (Speed) check either.

The tail is wagging the dog. Again.

To render obsolete PCs which fall below a "median" standard invented by microsoft? Does that mean half of them?

I'm very glad that I kept my old computers.

If this turns out like I think it will, they're all going over to Linux.

On 25/06/2021 at 09:03, johnccleaner said:
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		"If not, then go to your motherboard manufacturer's website and look for compatible TPMs that you can purchase on Amazon, Newegg, or directly from the manufacturer."
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		I sit corrected! Awesome, that should help make it accessible to more people.
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From a YouTuber I watch he stated "you had better buy it very soon if you need it because scalpers are grabbing them and jacking up the price on auction sites".

I'm glad my laptop is just barely OK, my TPM is alright, and my 8th Gen Intel Core i7 just barely made it since the cut off is supposedly 8th Gen but there's so much back and forth and Microsoft hasn't finalized everything yet. I'd find it stupid to cut off perfectly good older processors, etc., which would or will create a allot of e-waste worldwide just for a new Windows version.

On 02/07/2021 at 06:10, nukecad said:
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		I don't know anyone with Win 11 yet, apart from <a contenteditable="false" data-ipshover="" data-ipshover-target="<___base_url___>/profile/26-andavari/?do=hovercard" data-mentionid="26" href="<___base_url___>/profile/26-andavari/" rel="">@Andavari</a>and although he opened CCleaner he said that he didn't run it.


		Maybe he's given it a go by now?
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Nope, I haven't bothered with it and I won't until it's officially released to the public and then I'll do my usual and wait 3-6 months. I have enough problems with their supposed "stable" builds causing problems that have been out for months, so anything that's very alpha/beta or dev level I would never inflict upon my laptop.

If they keep the requirements what they are with CPU generation cutoffs, TPM, etc., I'll gladly tell people about Linux distros - better to keep a machine (especially laptops which aren't easy to upgrade if at all when it comes to the motherboard) that runs perfectly fine out of the garbage because those old incompatible PCs I don't think would be all that salable or they may be deemed worthless. At least with desktop PCs getting a compatible parts would be much easier but at a cost many people may not wish for.

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What makes it kind of stupid is there's still global shortages and price hikes. They could've waited until 2025 (when Win10 is end of life) before pulling the trigger.