Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) - Final

Well, for me, an OS in which I can't even hit "y" to answer "Yes" in a prompt is not polished at all.

I don't find OS X intuitive - I really hate the menu bar on top (especially since apps like Office, Chrome, Firefox, etc. are replacing it, so it's just wasted space), and I find the Dock really annoying - you must look carefully to know which programs are open and which programs aren't, and you can't directly see the window titles. That's also why I dislike Win7's SuperBar.

And, seriously, Apple needs to learn what "security" means.

I hate Macs even though I (my parents) own 2 iMacs. I love my Windows. :)

I use both and like both. I don't get into the either or BS.

Well, for me, an OS in which I can't even hit "y" to answer "Yes" in a prompt is not polished at all.

I don't find OS X intuitive - I really hate the menu bar on top (especially since apps like Office, Chrome, Firefox, etc. are replacing it, so it's just wasted space), and I find the Dock really annoying - you must look carefully to know which programs are open and which programs aren't, and you can't directly see the window titles. That's also why I dislike Win7's SuperBar.

And, seriously, Apple needs to learn what "security" means.

You obviously don't know what your talking about. The menu bar takes up no more space than on Windows. The difference is that all programs use the main Menu bar in Mac and it's options change for each program. When you launch Firefox it doesn't add another menu bar it uses Macs so there is only one menu bar and the same goes for all other programs. I don't know where you got your info but why are you commenting on a OS you clearly don't know anything about. You simple are not qualified to do so. Learn it and use it than make comments about how polished it is.

Mac needs to learn about security? Windows doesn't?

You obviously don't know what your talking about. The menu bar takes up no more space than on Windows. The difference is that all programs use the main Menu bar in Mac and it's options change for each program. When you launch Firefox it doesn't add another menu bar it uses Macs so there is only one menu bar and the same goes for all other programs. I don't know where you got your info but why are you commenting on a OS you clearly don't know anything about. You simple are not qualified to do so. Learn it and use it than make comments about how polished it is.

In Firefox on Windows, I can simply make the menu bar disappear - because I use Personal Menu which allows me to have the commands I actually use into one button. That saves some vertical space.

On a Mac...I can't do that. The menu bar is still there, even though I don't use it.

Same goes for Office - if you look at the early screens of Office 2011, the Ribbon makes the menu bar useless...but since there's no way to hide it, some vertical space is used for nothing (well, for the Menu bar, but it's useless since there already is the Ribbon which is much better IMHO).

As for security...well...just read page 44 of that PDF to see that OS X has three times the vulnerabilities Windows has. The last update, 10.6.3, fixed 82 security flaws. That means nearly four times the vulnerabilities Win7 has...and it's only a minor update. Also, you may want to take a look at Charlie Miller's opinion on the matter. He's the guy who won the Pwn2Own contest hacking Safari three times in a row.

Agreed that Macs do have some things like Garageband, etc. that Windows don't but that's about it. :|

Agreed that Macs do have some things like Garageband, etc. that Windows don't but that's about it. :|

One of the Macs advantage is that since they're not in a monopoly, they can include whatever they want in their OS. Same goes for Ubuntu.

Microsoft can't even include a media player without being sued <_<

Ha Ha. My Macs are much faster than my Windows machines. Especially browsing. I use Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, and Camino on my Macs and they are all much faster than they are on Windows with the exception of Camino which doesn't have a Windows version.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm

Isnt the OS X based on UNIX-system ??? so surely that would kill it's user friendliness?

The only reason why macs are considered to be far superior to pc is because apple hyped them self up to the hilt. This was never the case. A quote that is so true "Buying a PC is buying freedom of choice!"

Cant say that about a mac.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm

Isnt the OS X based on UNIX-system ??? so surely that would kill it's user friendliness?

The only reason why macs are considered to be far superior to pc is because apple hyped them self up to the hilt. This was never the case. A quote that is so true "Buying a PC is buying freedom of choice!"

Cant say that about a mac.

Mac OS 10 is a front end for Unix. You don't need to ever mess with the Unix core when using a Mac. You can mess around with the Terminal which is the Mac equivalent to the Windows Run command but it's not any more complex than the Windows run command.

I can Assure you I'm not some one that buys into hype. In fact if something is hyped I am very sceptical of it as I was with Mac. I put the hype and fan boy BS aside and determine for myself. I did that with Mac and made my own mind up. Understand here I'm not a Mac fanboy or Window hater. I use and always will use both. If Windows came out tomorrow with a superior OS I would be the first to say so. I couldn't care less about being on one side or the other. My opinions are not politically motivated as many obviously are here. I simply call it like I see it and right now Mac is far superior to Windows. I hope that changes soon because Macs are over priced and I hate Mac fanboys. They talk about Steve Jobs like he is a god and I personally can't stand the ass.

Agreed that Macs do have some things like Garageband, etc. that Windows don't but that's about it. :|

I don't use that or many of the other iLife programs. Simply of no use to me.

In Firefox on Windows, I can simply make the menu bar disappear - because I use Personal Menu which allows me to have the commands I actually use into one button. That saves some vertical space.

On a Mac...I can't do that. The menu bar is still there, even though I don't use it.

Same goes for Office - if you look at the early screens of Office 2011, the Ribbon makes the menu bar useless...but since there's no way to hide it, some vertical space is used for nothing (well, for the Menu bar, but it's useless since there already is the Ribbon which is much better IMHO).

Just use the full screen mode and all the tool bars disappear and reappear when you move the mouse to the top of the screen.

As I said I'm sure you will find things you don't like about Mac but what system won't you find things you don't like about it? An OS can't be all things to everybody.

I'm glad you are not a mac fan boy. I think that's where a lot of my hate for them comes from. 3 years ago i had about an hour talk while waiting for the bus to a mac fan boy and god, I felt like killing him/myself, he would of argued white is black.

I can't understand why people keep trying to learn more and more about XP when it's clearly obsolete. Put some of that effort into learning a new OS.

With the price on so many things like damn near everything, there's allot of people and myself included that have no choice but to be very frugal. Sure I'd love to have a newer Windows 7 OS which would require a brand new computer to run it, however financially that just won't be happening anytime soon so the old "obsolete" XP will just have to do possible until the computer just goes kaput.

With the price on so many things like damn near everything, there's allot of people and myself included that have no choice but to be very frugal. Sure I'd love to have a newer Windows 7 OS which would require a brand new computer to run it, however financially that just won't be happening anytime soon so the old "obsolete" XP will just have to do possible until the computer just goes kaput.

Unless you are using a really old (i.e. > 10 years old) computer, 7 will run fine on it. http://g.imagehost.org/view/0334/06072009424 :D

With the price on so many things like damn near everything, there's allot of people and myself included that have no choice but to be very frugal. Sure I'd love to have a newer Windows 7 OS which would require a brand new computer to run it, however financially that just won't be happening anytime soon so the old "obsolete" XP will just have to do possible until the computer just goes kaput.

I get that but Linux is free.

I get that but Linux is free.

Yes, but some people prefer to use an old OS than to completely change their habits - especially given the quality of FOSS apps vs. paid ones, like OOo and MSO.

Yes, but some people prefer to use an old OS than to completely change their habits - especially given the quality of FOSS apps vs. paid ones, like OOo and MSO.

No one said stop using the old OS. Why does it have to be one or the other? Just expand your computer knowledge and learn another OS. I would think a person would be bored stupid using the same OS year after year. Maybe it's just me but I would feel very limited if I was only knowledgeable on one OS. Besides it's fun to me learn the different OS.

I get that but Linux is free.

Too true, however I'm a Windows user. I've tried Ubuntu and other Linux compiles before and while they work I'd be without much of the software I use all the time and completely refuse to be without.

Having an XP is better than resorting to things like Illegal Torrentz. :|

Having an XP is better than resorting to things like Illegal Torrentz. :|

How could one billion people be so wrong

I'm content with xp, and crunch bang, You couldnt pay me to own a mac.

w7 runs happily on my friends 512 ram (rec 1gb)

How could one billion people be so wrong

I'm content with xp, and crunch bang, You couldnt pay me to own a mac.

What ever. That sounds like you have some kind of personal or political thing against Mac and that has nothing to do with weather it's a good OS or not.

As for how could a billion people be wrong? Just check out the pathetic track record of human history and you will see just how wrong billions of people can be about everything.

As for paying you to own a Mac if you were given one you would take and use it and you know it.