This really is not much of an issue, but I thought it might be a good idea to let people know. I have noticed that if I run CCleaner then shortly thereafter tell my computer to shutdown my computer will get as far as everything on the desktop disappearing but with the wallpaper still up. It is what I would see if a program is refusing to shutdown and the computer is waiting for it, but it only happens after I run CCleaner and I do close CCleaner before I shutdown. If I just wait a little longer before trying to shutdown my computer, it shuts down fine with no problem.
Any ideas as to what could be causing this? Is it CCleaner directly doing it, or does the cleaning cause other programs to run immediately after. My OS is 32-bit Vista Ultimate if that helps.
This really is not much of an issue, but I thought it might be a good idea to let people know. I have noticed that if I run CCleaner then shortly thereafter tell my computer to shutdown my computer will get as far as everything on the desktop disappearing but with the wallpaper still up. It is what I would see if a program is refusing to shutdown and the computer is waiting for it, but it only happens after I run CCleaner and I do close CCleaner before I shutdown. If I just wait a little longer before trying to shutdown my computer, it shuts down fine with no problem.
Any ideas as to what could be causing this? Is it CCleaner directly doing it, or does the cleaning cause other programs to run immediately after. My OS is 32-bit Vista Ultimate if that helps.
Thank you.
Hi Jim.
Very Interesting . You have sharp observation skills.
Maybe your CPU is just too fast to notice in most cases but on mine that is standard procedure no matter what I just closed down.
You may be slipping into the old "newbie" syndrome also. CCleaner is the last thing I did so it must be doing it.
I think in this case it just might be attenuating the shutdown process just enough for you to notice what is standard for us with slower PCs less Ram what have you. In this case I don't think CCleaner is doing anything as much as adding to the things going on right at shutdown. Under other circumstances the virtual storage and cache whatever is released to some other process and you never even notice it.
I would have never known it, if you hadn't brought it up.
Sharp observation helps to identify many problems and therefore their solutions.
I get a nice clear view of my wallpaper at start-up as well as shutdown. Never thought of it as strange. Relativity!!!
Thanks Jim,
davey WinXP Pro SP3 Dell Dimension 2400 Pent 4 2.8Ghz 256 MB DDR RAM 333Mhz. Just enough to get by comfortably.
My processor is an AMD dual core Turion running at 2.2 Ghz, so I do not know if the speed is going to cause it, though I do have 2GB of RAM in it. I guess I did not explain it that well, my computer will go as far as the wallpaper and then stop and the only way to shut it down then is to do a hard shutdown, or possibly to wait a very long time. Also, this behavior only occurs after CCleaner is run immediately before shutdown, so there has to be a connection. To allow there to be a random event that occurs at the exact same time would be illogical, however I do fully grant that CCleaner may be causing another program to do something. Is it possible that a log file CCleaner deletes is immediately remade by something on the computer, thereby having to run and not allow a shutdown.
As an aside, my desktop is considerably slower than my laptop, which is what is having this problem, and I do notice and understand the wallpaper being up during shutdown, my laptop just gets stuck on it for a much, much longer time.
The event viewer says that the previous shutdown was unexpected. Every time I have to do a hard shutdown I boot the computer back up and tell it to boot into Windows normally, so the next day I can start it up and leave it, this is probably why it says previous shutdown.
Two seconds after the unexpected shutdown message it gives this "Audit events have been dropped by the transport. The real time backup file was corrupt due to improper shutdown," but there is nothing from the actual shutdown, just after the next boot up.
My processor is an AMD dual core Turion running at 2.2 Ghz, so I do not know if the speed is going to cause it, though I do have 2GB of RAM in it. I guess I did not explain it that well, my computer will go as far as the wallpaper and then stop and the only way to shut it down then is to do a hard shutdown, or possibly to wait a very long time. Also, this behavior only occurs after CCleaner is run immediately before shutdown, so there has to be a connection. To allow there to be a random event that occurs at the exact same time would be illogical, however I do fully grant that CCleaner may be causing another program to do something. Is it possible that a log file CCleaner deletes is immediately remade by something on the computer, thereby having to run and not allow a shutdown.
As an aside, my desktop is considerably slower than my laptop, which is what is having this problem, and I do notice and understand the wallpaper being up during shutdown, my laptop just gets stuck on it for a much, much longer time.
What I thought was that the speed was hiding something that I normally see all the time. No, I don't think it is random event. I mean CCleaner's closing being relatively closer to shutdown is causing an event to occur that does not occur when not so close to shutdown. I don't think CCleaner itself is doing anything to cause the problem. I did not realize that it was actually stopping the shutdown.
Just remembered that you are Vista also so there are definite differences in shutdown processes as well.
I like Jamin4u suggestion also.
Of course, you are not doing any "secure deletion" are you ?
No, I am not doing secure deletion and I do not believe it is CCleaner causing this directly either, just that it starts something that then blocks the shutdown.
I did look at as many of the logs as I could and those two events are the only ones that matched up with the shutdown, all the others had to do with starting up. Perhaps the reason you could not replicate this is that your CCleaner settings are different than mine. I have attached my CCleaner settings, though I did got through and remove the cookies, include and exclude stuff as I am certain none of those should have any relation to the problem.
I was experiencing "hanging" and occasionally "slow shutdown" some time ago, and this useful little program was recommended, and certainly helped.
It might be worth a look.
First of all, so this doesn't fall under the domain of hijacking, let me say I shutdown without CCleaning and with CCleaning prior to shutdown and there was no difference. But mostly, I wanted to thank Dennis for bringing UPHClean to my attention. I've been having sloooow shutdowns for a long time and wondering what the heck was going on. I installed this program and now instant shutdowns! Thank You!
No, I am not doing secure deletion and I do not believe it is CCleaner causing this directly either, just that it starts something that then blocks the shutdown.
I did look at as many of the logs as I could and those two events are the only ones that matched up with the shutdown, all the others had to do with starting up. Perhaps the reason you could not replicate this is that your CCleaner settings are different than mine. I have attached my CCleaner settings, though I did got through and remove the cookies, include and exclude stuff as I am certain none of those should have any relation to the problem.
From what I have seen here, I would guess that I am still naive when it comes to WinXP and the forums.
I have been advising some new users to be sure that they have UPHCLEAN installed and I figured it was old news anyway as far as the forum goes. IE6, Windows Defender and likewise Windows Live One Care were the biggest culprits in clogging up my User Profile Hive. It was this search for CLEANERS that lead me here to CCleaner and the forums from Wikipedia of all places.
Dennis bringing up the UPHCLEAN program made me think about all those slow processing hours with Live One Care being installed and running right along with Windows Defender. One day Windows Defender was up to around 340 MB and climbing when I finally had the guts to "End Process" on it.
Anyhow Jim, I think you were right-on about maybe a log file or something needed to be created. One of the biggest culprits in my book next to IE6 is Windows Defender.
I suggest that you turn off the option to clean Windows Defender and see how that affects the shutdown process.
If you did an upgrade from XP to Vista, I also suggest that you make sure UPHCLEAN v1.6 has been uninstalled and that you haven't installed UPHCLEAN v2.0 BETA.
This is why I hang out here at the Piriform Forums. I learn something new everyday.
I had never heard of the User Profile Hive before.
I have suggested using the process of elimination before to find a culprit. What I mean is to uncheck all but one section at a time. Run CCleaner, then enable the next section until you narrow it down to the one that is causing you the problem. It would have worked in this case had I thought of it.
But it looks as if davey got it with one shot.
I suggest that you turn off the option to clean Windows Defender and see how that affects the shutdown process.
If you haven't already, I would look at the following category's in the Event Viewer.
1) Administrative Events
2) Application log
3) System log
Look for warnings and errors, before, during, and after shutdown.
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First of all, so this doesn't fall under the domain of hijacking, let me say I shutdown without CCleaning and with CCleaning prior to shutdown and there was no difference. But mostly, I wanted to thank Dennis for bringing UPHClean to my attention. I've been having sloooow shutdowns for a long time and wondering what the heck was going on. I installed this program and now instant shutdowns! Thank You!
Nice one, I'm pleased it worked for you. It certainly worked for me.