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I'm pretty sure that the ability to boot into Puppy means that 1) your BIOS is OK, 2) your motherboard is OK, and 3) your memory is (probably) OK. Guess that points toward the HD as the culprit.

If the only thing wrong with your old computer is the hard drive, one or the other of Hiren's utilities might restore the OS to another hard drive.

The utilities on Hiren's v-14.1 are listed HERE. BurnCDCC is included in the Hiren's zip package. Go ahead and burn Hiren's to a cd. Start BurnCDCC and navigate to the file called "Hiren's.BootCD.14.1.iso" w/out quotes. Read verify the burn.

Take a look at the list, especially "Mini Windows Xp". If you boot into Mini Windows XP, sucessfully, you can get back out of it without changing anything if need be.

I just burned it to a cd here, am going to sign off and restart with the Hirens cd. Not sure if that will work, will know in a few minutes. Be right back.

Edit: OK, that worked, am on here now using Opera browser included in Hiren's. I'm in way over my head, have never used these utilities. Wouldn't even try this except on my own equipment, but the way you describe your situation you have little to lose, soooo, am checking into the utilities now.

When you get Hiren's burned to a cd, and start the computer with it in the drive, boot into Mini Windows XP.

In Mini Windows XP:

Click on Start > Run and type cmd

At the prompt, type C:

... Assuming C: is where your operating system is

The prompt will change from X:\ ***something*** to C:\

Type chkdsk/r

If the HD is fixable that may do it. Wait a tiny bit before you do that, I want to check something.

Edit: I think it is OK, but checked with Nergal, if it is likely to blow up he will tell us.

I think it will work. Like I said, never done this this way before, but looks safe.

I ran chkdsk here without the fix switch, no harm done. Gonna log out now, go back to the real windows, see if anything still works. :lol:

You may have to leave a space after the word chkdsk and before the forward slash.

e.g.

chkdsk /r

Well, that worked, made it back here in the "real" windows.

I have to log out now, duty calls...ugh...but will check back later this pm. Would be really interested to know how it goes for you, oh boy.

Try Macrium Reflect 4.2.3775

This is already present according to

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/

This should allow you to create in a spare internal partition and/or an external drive,

a partition image of C:\.

Then if you do further damage to C:\ it is easy to undo the damage by restore that image.

thanks guys! i'm working on it and will keep you updated (most likely tomorrow).

With your parents not being too knowledgeable about computers, can we assume that "System Restore" would have been active and running before this glitch?

That's also assuming you didn't turn it off at any stage. :)

If the answers yes, I can probably help you get that computer restored to a date before whatever happened, happened.

All you would need is access to a CDROM drive, and hope that the hardware is actually OK, and this is a software glitch.

A question for you guys.

Firstly, sorry for the late entry into this thread, but I usually suggest my "Rescue CD" as a last resort if all else fails. So Logins hard work and suggestion to use Checkdisk is definitely worth trying first as it may make my suggestion totally unnecessary.

I posted so "oh boy" would know there's another option in case Checkdisk didn't help, to make sure he came back to the thread.

Secondly, and I think I already know the answer to this one ... Is it possible to download an ISO containing the NTFS file system, and then burn it to CD as an "Image" with a Mac, to use on a Windows computer.

Yea, a stupid question, and I believe it can't be done, but as I've never done it, I thought I would ask.

I'm also a little late on responding to this thread too ;)

From the description it does sound like a problem with the file system so I would agree with login123 you should burn and boot Hiren's Boot CD into "Mini XP" mode.

Once at the desktop open a DOS Prompt: Start, Run, cmd.exe

and enter: chkdsk.exe c: /f

If XP still doesn't boot normally then try: chkdsk.exe c: /r

@Dennis an ISO is an ISO it doesn't contain an NTFS file system it could however contain a file which itself an image file i.e. VHD, VDI, RAW etc.

If all you're doing is downloading a ISO file and burning a CD using a Mac then I don't see this being a problem.

Richard S.

I downloaded W.A.I.K. from Microsoft. It was a 1.7 GB ISO that took more than 1 hour to download.

I then had to burn it to a DVD and then it was ready to install the W.A.I.K. in Windows 7 x64.

I guess that any operating system can, with the right tool, burn an ISO file to disc without being concerned about the contents of the ISO.

This says you can burn an ISO from MAC OS X

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/maciso

Ubunto must be easy, it even has a snapshot showing a pussycat using it.

When you burn an ISO to a CD as an "Image", the ISO isn't burned to the disk as an ISO.

All the files are extracted and then burned, and the disk made bootable in the process. This ISO contains a mini Windows, and is I believe in NTFS form.

This is what the CD looks like after the ISO is burned as an "Image" ...

A Mac won't write these types of file/folders to CD surely.

If I'm wrong I'll be happy, as it makes it easy for the OP to burn this Rescue CD using his Mac.

This CD, after booting, attaches itself to the Windows Installation, and because of that, can run System Restore on that computer via a very easy "Wizard", which as far as I can tell is otherwise impossible if you can't even get to Safe Mode.

XP's Recovery Console can't run System Restore, and I haven't found a live CD which can do this either.

EDIT: I appreciate the link and input Alan, but it doesn't say it will burn the ISO into something Windows will run.

Again, I'd love to be wrong, so maybe "oh boy" could try it at the cost of 1 blank CD.

There's no such thing as FAT32, NTFS, EXT3, or HPS+ with regards to the CD file system because it was designed to be cross-platform compatible. Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660

ISO 9660, also referred to as CDFS (Compact Disc File System) by some hardware and software providers, is a file system standard published by the International Organisation for Standardisation (ISO) for optical disc media. It aims at supporting different computer operating systems such as Windows, classic Mac OS, and Unix-like systems, so that data may be exchanged.

If you have an ISO file that needs burning to CD then burn it using a Mac (as "image" not as file) which should be no different than burning the same image with a PC or Linux machine.

Richard S.

>>Whew<< Boy am I glad to see you guys. It's like the calvary has arrived. :D I think checkdisk will work if the HD is OK, but several heads are better than one. (but hats will cost more)

I suggested Hiren's and chkdsk 'cause they are free and (fairly) easy, and if that works it's the most efficient.

And I ran Hiren's and chkdsk here and chkdsk worked.

Plus, that's what redhawk always says. :P

That Hiren's v- 14.1 is worth its weight in gold. Has a ton of apps on it. Including some tools that will format the disk to NTFS, but oh boy is maybe not ready for that yet? Just asking.

I'm gonna sign off and get back on w/ Hiren's disk so I can explore a bit if you guys have suggestions. Will be working without a net, tho, cause Powershadow will be off. :unsure:

Back in a minute.

If you have an ISO file that needs burning to CD then burn it using a Mac (as "image" not as file) which should be no different than burning the same image with a PC or Linux machine.

Richard S.

That really surprises me, but I'm happy to be contradicted in this case.

If checkdisk doesn't do it, then he can now try the System Restore and use his Mac to make the CD. Or in fact, use Puppy if it has Image burning software installed.

Login, the cavalry isn't coming yet, but we're just over the hill waiting. :)

I tell you what - i'll just try and find out. If it won't work i'll get a few more empty CDR's tomorrow, that's not a problem.

Worth a try, just remember it must be burned as an "Image".

Alan's link has the how to, but you probably already know how to do this.

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/maciso

Back now, Mini XP running in RAM, using Opera browser. I'll post up some screenshots from here.

Hey oh boy, you got Hiren's on a cd yet? If you do, it'll almost certainly hook up to the net for you, if Puppy did.

Fwiw, here is a scr shot of windows explorer running in Mini XP. Will post more later if oh boy isn't fixed by then and if they are needed, but right now duty calls.

Btw, screenshots are a pain in Mini XP, Flash will not install, so getting the forum code is a clumsy.

but here it is: th_Hirens141_mycomputer.jpg and with "windows" expanded th_Hirens141_windows.jpg