Thanks for the extra info. We are still looking into this issue, but are unable to recreate it on any of our test machines, but we will not give up
Thanks for the extra info. We are still looking into this issue, but are unable to recreate it on any of our test machines, but we will not give up
Thanks MrRon! So is the CPU low while Defraggler is running on your test machine?
If you need any more system info or if there's any way I can help out, then please feel free to give me a shout on the personal email I used to register this account.
Cheers,
Chris.
I am also having these issues. It used to work fine a few months ago after a couple program updates and many Win64 updates . . .
I've been recently concerned with defragging my drive "D" hardware RAID 0 array running from an Adaptec 3805 single channel per device.
I have not disabled and deleted restore points etc as I don't have a complete backup at this time. All my virus scanning is disabled, as is indexing.
I downloaded PC Wizard to generate this report if it helps.
Owner: Microsoft
Organisation: Microsoft
User: boscoj
Operating System: Windows Vista Ultimate Professional 6.00.6002 Service Pack 2
Report Date: Thursday 15 October 2009 at 17:55
<<< System Summary >>>
> Mainboard : EVGA 132-BL-E758
> Chipset : Intel X58
> Processor : Intel Core i7 920 @ 2666 MHz
> Physical Memory : 12288 MB (6 x 2048 DDR3-SDRAM )
> Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
> Hard Disk C: Array SAS Disk Device (294 GB)
> Hard Disk D: Array SCSI Disk Device (1498 GB)
> Hard Disk R: RAM (2 GB)
> DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223Q ATA Device
> Monitor Type : ViewSonic VX2235wm - 22 inches
> Network Card : RTL8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
> Network Card : RTL8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
> Operating System : Windows Vista Ultimate Professional 6.00.6002 Service Pack 2 (x64)
> DirectX : Version 10.00
> Windows Performance Index : 5.9
Similar problem with Defraggler.
1. Ran Quick Defraggler, which completed in about a minute.
2. Ran Microsoft defragger; completed in an hour.
3. Started Defraggler. It ran 3 hours and was at 40%, so I cancelled it. I have done this at least 3 times.
System is 1.86 dual core with 2GB RAM, Vista Home Premium.
Disk being defragged is 320 GB with 70 GB used and 250 GB free space.
Me too Defraggler is very very slow. On top of that, the next worse thing is that you can only have one instance of Defraggler so you cannot defrag more than one partition at once, which is very very bad. I just recently downloaded it and so far I don't see the point using it even though I've heard it's a good app. This is pretty much what I do EVERY evening before going to bed:
- I use CCleaner to clean up my computer.
- I start AMP Winoff to get the computer to shut down in 45 minutes.
- I start three times Power Defragmenter, one for each partition (I have three).
- I set the partition level at Triple Pass defragmentation (defrag three times) for each instance and run them all at once.
- I go to bed.
This is my configuration:
Windows XP Pro
Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHZ
Graphic card: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB 850MHZ
RAM: 4GB 2X2GB DDR3
1st partition: 66 Gig, 39 Gig free space.
2nd partition: 409 Gig, 157 Gig free space.
3rd partition: 372 Gig, 187 Gig free space.
Hi there,
Just registered to say that I am having similar problems. I have used CCleaner for a long time now and so trusted Piriform to make a good defrag program. However, after 48 hours, I'm sitting at 25% complete and in the last 12 hours it has only increased by 1%. Fragmentation is 52%, just like it has been throughout the whole process.
My system is running Vista Home Premium 64 bit, my HD is 1 Terrabyte (with 300 GB used). For Kas' information, the machine is not Valve driven, nor is it Russian . It is, in fact, only 3 months old, has 12GB of RAM and is the fastest machine that I could afford back when I bought it. It runs every other program that I have asked it to at lightning fast speeds.
I have only just found out (by reading this thread) that the system restore points may be responsible so I will try disabling them. However, so far, Defraggler falls a long way short of what I hoped it would, which is a shame.
I just DL this program also and am having the same speed issues
my system specs are
MOBO EVGA 780i SLI
CPU Intel X6800 3.42 MHz
COOLING Zalman 9700
8gb Corsair Dominator @ 1067 2.1v
VIDEO XFX 8800 GTX
PS OCZ 700w
OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 / XP Pro x32
HD's 3 X 320gb Barrcuda's Raid 5
WD 300gb VelociRaptor
Display's 2 21" Sony Trinitrons
I will try disabling system restore and see what that does
will let you know
OK, about 24 hours later and I'm still having problems. After disabling system restore and making sure that the restore points had all gone I restarted Defraggler. Initially I thought that things were going OK but the process got slower and slower. Each % complete seemed to be taking twice as long as the one before it. It is now 10.42 am and since 8pm yesterday, Defraggler has only increased its % complete by 3. ie 3% completed in almost 15 hours. It looks like Defraggler is not the defrag program for me.
Eliminated all but current restore point. This dropped used disk space from 70 GB to 34GB.
Microsoft Defrag ran in 45 minutes.
Quick Defraggler ran in seconds.
Full Defraggler ran to completion in 11 minutes! My problem is solved.
Thanks.
A couple of weeks ago I had the same problem in Defrag mode. After 15 hours I gave up and cancelled the defrag. I then used Quick Defrag and all went fine.
Thanks for the extra info. We are still looking into this issue, but are unable to recreate it on any of our test machines, but we will not give up
I am also having the slow full defrag problem.
But, I've narrowed it a bit further for you...
Turn on the option "Move large files to end of drive..."
Turn on the option "Move only selected file types:"
Change the "Minimum file size" to 1MB and put a bunch of files that will be caught by the filter onto the drive, along with a boot partition (i.e. 16K files about).
For me, full defrag with this option turned off defragged my drive in about 1 minute.
Turning the option on, and the defrag barely did any activity on the HD, but maxxed out a single core of my system to 100%.
It also looks like you're not using parallel processing... That might not be helpful in this type of application though.
Please try your tests using this configuration.
Thanks!
PS: Further updated information:
I did a quick defrag which reduced my fragmentation to next to nothing, then did a full defrag with problem options enabled... After an initial delay after analysis, it performed quite quickly.
Perhaps the issue will only surface while there's fragmentation present (it didn't have a problem with 2 fragments/16.1KB, but did with 327 fragments/10.7MB).
Hope this helps you narrow the focus on the issue.
Thanks for the extra info, PMs on the way to several members
Can anyone else confirm that disabling sys restore fixes slow defrag?MrRon
Ever since I disabled it, it has run smoother and faster. But mine was never as extreme as 50hrs. I've also noticed that sometimes (with System Restore and Volume Shadow Copy on) after a defragment, I'd end up with 'more' fragmentations than before. Turning Sys. Restore off and running the action: Check Drive for Errors, Cleared it all up.
I recommend at least turning it off and restarting before defragmenting, if System Restore is important to you, instead of completely turning it off.
We are looking at a possible issue with moving lots of very very small files that could cause really slow defrag, but this won't be implemented until 1.17.
In the mean time, I'd be interested in hearing if Quick Defrag (press and hold the Defrag button) clears this issue for some people.
Follow up to Nov 20 posting -
Recently had accumulated several restore points in system. Ran regular Defraggler; it was 49% at 20 minutes; it took another 20 minutes to get to 51%, so I canceled it.
Deleted all but most recent restore point, as that solved problem last time - not so this time. Quick Defraggler ran in 15 seconds. Also ran Vista supplied defragger which completed in 30 min.
Ran full Defraggler - it was 50% in 1 minute and 81% in 4 minutes. It stalled at 81%. It shows files being read and written, but no change in percent done. Canceled at 32 minutes. If Defraggler won't complete in less time than the Vista supplied defragger, why run it??
We are looking at a possible issue with moving lots of very very small files that could cause really slow defrag, but this won't be implemented until 1.17.
WinXP pro SP3, Defraggler 1.15.163, ext. drive, partition size about 1 TB,
~20.000 files, ~200 GB: 1 file ~150 GB, all other files ~50 GB
Defraggler is working on the last five(!) blue squares for about twenty hours.
Postponing a solution until v1.17 might (and probably will) seriously damage Defraggler's good reputation.
Hi, I just tried Defraggler, I was hoping it would just background defrag mildly every few hours on low CPU. So it is not much use to me.
A reason some people here are having problems is that it seems to consolidate free space too aggressively. I don't see the point in this.
For me, after a few minutes it hit 98% and stayed there for hours. I suspect if I deleted some files off my system it would repeat this process. I had already used Windows Defrag, Ultra Defrag (licensed cos I like it's disk graphic) and Diskeeper, but Defraggler still had to take hours... not good.
What any defragger should do is defrag, then consolidate "small spaces" and leave large gaps and defragged areas with many already consolidated small files alone. It appears they all cater to the crowd that say "it did not defrag 100% to the front of my disk/back of my disk/middle of my disk".
The obsession with clumping everything 100% perfectly in particular spots on the disk looks quite obtuse to me and results in more disk wear.
I have the same problem(s). Here is what I have come up with so far.
Problem: Extremely slow processing (or possibly no processing at all) when doing a "Defrag Freespace (allow fragmentation)".
System:
Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv9700 Notebook PC
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Build 6002 (SP2)
AMD Turion64 X2 TL-68, 4 GBytes RAM, 2 x 250GB HDs
I am quite computer savvy, and have the following Vista features tweaked:
"volume shadow copy" permanently turned OFF
"System Restore Point" temporarily turned OFF
In addition I have a suspicion towards the following software components:
Symantec Norton Internet Security - (hidden and/or protected files on volume?)
Cygwin - (large number of small files)
Following problems/bugs occur:
1.) Defrags free space until it reaches a certain "block" (i.e. light-blue colored square). Here it stalls and continues what seem forever without any success. I have repeated this several times and it seem to be in or around the same block area. This area is where there are a large number of scattered light-blue squares (what do they mean?) in the middle of the disk.
2.) There are "white" squares that contains files when you click on them!! (WTF!) [in my case it seem to contain a Symantec file called "NAVENG.EXP"]
3.) "Light-blue" squares are NOT defined in your "Drive Map Legend"... (Is that so hard to do?)
4.) There is a light-blue square that says it contains a file called "$UsnJrnl:$J" in "C:\$Extend\" that is 19 MB in size. (What does this mean?)
Conclusion:
This is highly annoying and essentially renders your otherwise excellent software useless... So please fix it ASAP.
PS. Everything else seem to work fine. (I.e. Both Quick Defrag and Defrag, although normal Defrag still leaves many scattered fragments around the middle.)
All right just wanted to throw in some input after digging through this thread. Installed Vista-64 on a brand new WD6401AALS and of course had to install CCleaner and Defraggler immediately after. Few days of use and after installing very large files (Steam applications) I decided to defrag my system. I noticed about half way through Defraggler would hang on a few files between Left 4 Dead 2, Dragon Age: Origins, and some random Windows files. I'd leave it on over night and wake up to absolutely no progress. As someone suggested, I turned off Vista's System Restore and rebooted my computer. Needless to say Defraggler works flawlessly now and I also shed nearly 100 Gigabytes of data in the process. Good luck to the rest of you guys, hope you resolve your issue.
Before:
After:
Just to show it still becomes slow once after a while...
-Defragged a partition so no fragmented files were left
-analysed: 0 fragments
-then made a full defrag so it puts large files at the end of the partition
-after some time it just... stops. It shows defragmenting a file, for like 5 minutes. then i see another file, for another 5 minutes and so on.
-stopped defragmenting
-analysed: 30 fragments with 700mb
maybe we should call it fragmentingprogram?