@radonflex
Great first post !! Welcome to the forum.
@codon
Again great work, its nice to see that someone is fixing this. You have already gone beyond what I was finding.
Thank you for your efforts.
- The Nir Sofer-utility ShellBagsView http://www.nirsoft.n..._bags_view.html shows me for example number 2531(folder etc)
- In the registry I found this number 2531 (folder etc) four times
- HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\2531\Shell…
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags<strong>2531\Shell…
HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-//-1000\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags<strong>2531\Shell…
HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-//-1000_Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags<strong>2531\Shell…
- all changes when going into the folders (screenshot #42) or cleaning it (screenshot #31) were in HKEY_USERS-//-
- @radonflex - If you have deleted everything on your way, it stays that way when you restart the Computer?
Hi, there is a way to get any and all entries for the program vetted
that way is to create and test your own entries in a winapp2.ini (see the link in my signature)
when you have tested the entries on your own machines to the extent that you can, there is a public community driven winapp2.ini file found at the top of the CCleaner discussion board, there you can submit your entry(s) and the community will test/comment on them. Many of the entries in the ccleaner program got their first start in the community file so chances are better that it will be added.
Do note though that the developers do read all threads, though with ever increasing rarity do they comment. It may well be some of these removals may be seen in a future build. But again I must stress ccleaner is NOT a privacy program. It is a space clearer.
ccleaner is NOT a privacy program. It is a space clearer.
I think we can all agree with your assessment of CCleaner.
However I think the following text is misleading users.
It protects your privacy online and makes your computer faster and more secure.
Taken from here...
However I think the following text is misleading users.
Taken from here...
How about that CCleaner cleans browser cookies, histories etc?
Found another one...
Keep your data secure and private
Most companies acknowledge the need for a coherent policy on document retention and deletion, for the purposes of privacy as well as compliance. But when you legitimately delete a file, is it fully deleted from the computer, or is it still in the cache somewhere? You may be leaving your company open to unnecessary review of documents that you have already legitimately deleted. A regular cleaning makes sure that what you've deleted is actually gone. In addition, use of CCleaner helps guard against the ill effects of employee use of unauthorized software - which slows down the computer and clutters the registry.
From here..
Found another one...
Keep your data secure and private
Most companies acknowledge the need for a coherent policy on document retention and deletion, for the purposes of privacy as well as compliance. But when you legitimately delete a file, is it fully deleted from the computer, or is it still in the cache somewhere? You may be leaving your company open to unnecessary review of documents that you have already legitimately deleted. A regular cleaning makes sure that what you've deleted is actually gone. In addition, use of CCleaner helps guard against the ill effects of employee use of unauthorized software - which slows down the computer and clutters the registry.
From here..
http://www.piriform.com/business/ccleaner-benefits
More...
Recycle Bin, Recent Documents, Temporary files and Log files.
From here..
CCman come on, let's not get into a discussion here about the text on the ccleaner website and talk about the program.
That is what this area of the forum is for.
Anyone wants to suggest entries for the program? Then do what Nergal suggests in post #43.
It is not going to help just saying ''do what this other program does'' Instead find the entries, present them in the WinApp2.ini section of the forum for further testing and comments from members.
- grmml developer nrrgh cleaner bla bla bla privacy
- Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup
they slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe…
no direct contact to developers - mmmh
Jai guru deva om
- #42
Stop with the pettiness, stop with the trying to one-up moderators and #42 is not a cleaner formatted entry, I would not have posted 43 if 42 was.
Have you tested removing this items with ccleaner?
Have you analyzed the effects of removals on a PC?
Have you submitted properly tested and formatted Ccleaner rules to the community
No you've said this and that nebulous ideas don't clean
You've said here are some screen shots of somethings
CCleaner only cleans for the current user
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\2531\Shell…
HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-//-1000\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\2531\Shell…
HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-//-1000_Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\2531\Shell…
The second two are a user of that machine (and if it's the current user then entry one and two are the exact same entry
Many Shell bags, including all five you show in
Are recreated by windows during startup because shellbags are created as things are accessed by the computer
http://computer-fore...07/05/shellbags
Then there's this picture
You are correct that _classes for Users does not seem to be in the Shellbags entries of winapp2 (they are found for current user in the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT hive, I believe). Maybe Winapp2.ini (the person) can tell us if that is a cleanable location. They don't seem to hold any plain text usage names, but nor do the currently cleaned shellbags.
So, so far in 3 pages you've identified a single uncleaned entry that could be looked into adding. That's a good start, but if there this pile, that has caused so much animosity amongst relatively new members and people who have been curating and working with this open source/plain text part of the program (winapp2), then you will need to provide those locations.
CCman come on, let's not get into a discussion here about the text on the ccleaner website and talk about the program.
Oh dear, this is a little confusing. I was quite prepared to believe Nergal when he said...
ccleaner is NOT a privacy program. It is a space clearer.
If Nergal's assessment of CCleaner was accurate, then I would have expected other moderators to back his statement especially after I pointed out the inconsistencies with the text on the piriform site. However now it seems as if you are trying to cover over the subject.
As Nergal's assessment and piriforms statements are so dissimilar, who are you suggesting the public should believe now ? Nergal or piriform ?
As for those asking to provide code.
The fact that this privacy omission has been around for about 3 years, at least, tells us something about the incumbent testing team. To expect new members to provide all code for the fixes, immediately is not realistic is it ? Repeatedly asking codon to provide you with code is not fair, he has pointed out the bug and taken the time to explain it very well I think. Have you considered the fact he may not know exactly where all the data resides ?
How about that CCleaner cleans browser cookies, histories etc?
That's not good enough. If you bill CCleaner as a privacy protector - as stated in several places on the website - well, you better be sure you cover all the info. Privacy can be breached by as little as a couple of bytes.
All it takes is the wrong set of data bits to implicate you in whatever "investigation" might be at hand. And you gotta admit, that the privacy claim (CCleaner makes) is pretty thin when you look at the stray info the NirSoft utility reports. But you know, that information has been there since the dawn of time, beginning around the XP era.
The way I see it is a program will zap the information or it will not. If this type of log seems important enough to erase, well, people will find a way to erase it. Whether it be CCleaner or a competitor, who cares?
As far as the developers becoming increasingly remote and out-of-reach. That isn't a good thing. Say what you will, but discussions on this forum will drift away from the purpose of supporting CCleaner, a tiny little bit at a time. To be replaced by moderator opinions and activity.
3 posts in a row, I don't mean to hijack the thread or anything. Just riding along and watching the antics. But if you are going to be cutting out parts of the registry you better be certain of the effects of those actions; and how other programs respond too, like installers and backups and system repair utilities.
And forensically, you'll need to overwrite those gaping holes and be sure the data hasn't been duplicated elsewhere.
Many Shell bags, including all five you show in are recreated by windows during startup because shellbags are created as things are accessed by the computer
why do you write this to me???
didn't you read this!?
- HKEY_USERS http://de.wikipedia....ssel_HKEY_USERS
This master key contains the user-specific configuration information of all users who are currently logged on to the system. Only when the user logs in - the configuration data will copied from HKEY_USERS in the user-specific key HKEY_CURRENT_USER
in #31 you see all the deleted keys and values - tested on my mashine - and it works! You wrote CCleaner only cleans for the current user. I wrote all changes happen in HKEY_Users - read the lines above again.
We can meet us in "The Red Lion" - may be you mean the one in London and I the one in Würzburg. There is no matchThe second two are a user of that machine (and if it's the current user then entry one and two are the exact same entry
Have you understand what I wrote - never! All the things in the screenshots happened. The only nebulous things here are your - sorry - stupid thoughts!
Wake up!
You should do what do you ask me for - my system works - I’m not interested in any winapp2.ini or CCleaner. I was astonished that CCleaner can’t do what I and many friends have had expected.
First I've had only a question, then I found answers and then a greenhorn like you wants ready answers and tested solutions that are themselves not yet found by the developers - what a joke!
It isn't the position of the users to provide code or scripting. Particularly if developers are "increasingly remote". Effective dialog in programming can only happen if there is two way communication, clearly there is not. I propose any users that want to generate entries just do the winapp2.ini thing. Nothing more.
I don't know *ALL* the details of every registry entry, but doesn't shellbags also store last-known window positions, defaulting to 400 sets of positions? I would not want that cleared. And we also need to consider that some of the entries (in these registry keys, the ones that are topic of this thread) may already be affected by CCleaner.
I can tell you I have an understanding of computer forensics, and the only way to be sure is to nuke it from orbit. Having said that, all my "CCleaner activities" focus around how much space I can reclaim - which is a couple of gigs at the end of the month. The smaller the backup the better.
as I stated the developers read all threads.
I'm out of this one except when people post against the rules things which was the only thing that I was doing before being pulled into this troll fest
I don't disagree that more could be cleaned
Ccman is correct, it was I who first brought up privacy, and that was what my understanding of it was (and slightly still is). Though the quoted passages seem to come from business pages which of course is a paid license and gets direct developer support. Which brings us to something
keatah you make a good point (many actually but I digress as I am apt to do) and yes as the developers have been forced to focus on other revenue for this free software that does much better than other applications (or than windows itself for which it is meant to clean) they have become less hands on in the forum…of course you could pay the relatively small amount for the pro version and get that back… you may not like it, I know I don't really like it much…until consider what I talked about in the above paragraph…I still don't like it but I understand).
This is a well known software and as I said, you've spent the last week (maybe less) griping about something when a new version is released once a month.
Good night Good Luck Good bye
CCleaner does what it does very well. And it's easy to forget its free.
All this info collated by the nirsoft utility is making quite a stink at work. I feel, though, it will be addressed sooner or later.
can someone please get me up to speed on where this thread is heading?
between {edit} sizes, cooking storks and try-outs for a new "So You Think You Can Quote Music Songs" reality TV show, are we trying to improve CC? or are we discussing CC shortcomings? or maybe criticising NisSofer? or even recommending we start using NirSofer in conjunction with CC?
the thread seems to be spinning it's wheels...
my apologies Nergal, I changed the original C word to the correct P word for the male apendage thinking that would be alright.
now i know. if i ever need to again, i'll use what my Grandmother always called it; long and dangly bits