Thanks for your very informative replies! I think we might have hit the nail on the head. Yes, I had automatic updates enabled, and yes the problems seemed to have started when the updates happened. Of course since auto updates are enabled, I don't really know when they happen. Since you mentioned a recent update, that might make more sense now. Malwarebytes I have had for years, so I doubt this is blocking anything. If it was, I think it would have started when I first used CCleaner. Windows Defender is disabled, and no other Antivirus is being used. The trial version of McAfee that came installed on the computer is expired and not running. Unfortunately support has been of little help, and are slow to respond in emails. The last email sent by them was over 3 days ago. They mentioned in the last email to run CCleaner in Debug Mode, and to send a log file. Since I can't open CCleaner after installing, that is of no help to me. First I will try the slim installer,(Which I assume includes the recent updates), and then the older version without the updates. Great suggestions! Thanks!