Well, I have done some thought on this matter and your reply....I simply do not accept that if "they show up on Recuva, they are deleted"....surely anything that can be recovered is, by definition, not deleted. Also...Why is 7pass overite "overkill" as you state? Surely, this is an option that would, to any lay person, ensure more efficient deletion. Also...It would seem to me...that the best solution for CCleaner to use, would be to ensure it uses Recuva protocols in its deletion method, as to ensure that the very items detected by a recovery program are those deleted by a cleaner....I'm not a computer expert, however, I am great at logic and problem solving...The simple fact is this :- If using CCleaner to delete internet history etc, one would not expect recovery system downloaded from the same site to prove it innefective...any comments from other users?