John1

Hi Andavari and anyone else looking in, Apparently i didn't give enough info with my explanation of getting updates from http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp and also theres another tab called 'Windows Catalog' along the top, that one doesn't seem to take the user to a catalogue of updates. That one was not the one i meant. This site from Microsoft doesn't always come up the same. It seems that it can come up with the catalog listed under the 'Windows Update' panel on the left, or it can come up without it listed. This puzzled me for a while, it seems to remember what you last looked at. To set it to the display with the catalog listed, click on the 'Personalise Windows Update' bit under Other Options. The display will change to offer a tick box so you can see the display which includes the 'Windows Update Catalog' in the 'Windows Update' panel on the left. Click on the 'Save Settings' button, and the display will change again to give you the additional choice in the Update panel on the left. Now you can choose the updates you want, and download them as files which you can keep to use when and if you want. Briefly like this : Windows update catalog, Find updates for Microsoft Windows operating systems, Scroll through to the OS you want ... 98se is about a third way down, Highlight and click on search, up comes 7 groups, Select a group, up comes a the selections for that group, and a ' Download Basket' When choosing one read the blurb (Read More), some of them can not be uninstalled. Also before installing, see what Google has to say, some of Microsoft's fixes can cause other unexpected problems. Sorry i did not give more detailed directions before. I hope the above is good enough to guide anyone to get the patches for themselves. The selection goes back as far as 'Millenium Edition' but does not include any of the Win 95 a,b, or c. People wanting stuff for 95 should probably try oldfiles.org http://oldfiles.org.uk/lightspeed/lightspeed95.html I think they offer updates and fixes for 95. Hope this is of use to someone, Cheers, John

Hi Andavari, and anyone else looking in, Heres a neat little way to stop Win98/Winse from re-creating index.dat After deleting it in dos, place an empty folder in there called 'Index.dat' At first i tried a file, but that was overwritten, but when i used a folder, that did it. This is of course based on the well known rule that you can only have a name occur once in a folder. If the user tries to use an existing name then Win complains, but if the system tries to do so, there is no complaint or error message, it just wont. Yes, i realise your 'NoJunk' batches pre-date Ccleaner, although i dont see why that should remove any interest in preventing the index.dat files from re-creating themselves. There are still many people using Win98se, i do myself. Although i have recently got myself an XP system as well. Since there is still a large Win98 contingent, then maybe they would be interested to know that the updates and patches (to date) can be down loaded on to CD (or other media) from: http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp dont 'scan for updates', just go straight to 'catalog' In the event that someone feels it necessary to format and re-install it is very handy to have the updates available on CD. That is a Microsoft site, and one never knows when these handy free downloads might be empirically removed by Microsoft, as part of their discouraging attitude to previous windows OS's that they have orphaned saying that they 'die'. I don't think a circuit can die. So i have a nice little collection of their updates and patches and fixes for 98 up to now, but they say they will not be offering any fixes for problems that may arise in the future. So i am sort of hoping that there will be 'specialist' type sites that may offer workarounds or fixes if future problems become severe. All the best, John

copy of PM sent to Andavari. ********************** Hi Andavari, Thank you for the 'NoJunk' bat-files. I haven't tried them yet, but i will. One small thing that i would like to mention, Quote Note: When you restart your computer Internet Explorer and/or Explorer will automatically rebuild the index.dat files located in the Cookies, History, and Temporary Internet Files folders since they are used by the Windows operating system. There is no workaround for permanently removing them, unless of course you use a commercial software package to remove Internet Explorer from your system. /Quote There is a very simple workaround. But nobody ever seemed to be interested. John

hello finally .... No i stll havent got the hang of this ... Hows this then .... Oh i cant be doing with this trying to figure out how to post. If it wants to add it in as an edit/extra what do i care ? Why cant things just be normal .... After messing about trying to get this FORUM to be sensible, and act normal, ******************************************* Ive come here to thank ANDAVARI for the batch files. Just one small point Andavari, you say in the included txt files that the Index.dat files cannot be prevented from re-asserting themselves after deletion ? I dont even know if you will see this. I spent a long time figuring out how to do just that. (without 3rd party software) John